Naruto Manga Chapter 399 – The Leaf’s Conspiracy
Post Author: Bob
Madara continues with his story of Konoha’s beginnings and paints the Leaf as enemies of all Uchihas. But is he telling the truth or just warping the facts in his favor? And the important question is will Sasuke believe in Madara’s words?
I’m gonna state this clearly from the start: I don’t trust what Madara is saying. His version of events is just too convenient; he portrays himself as a lonely hero who tried his best to save his clan from the ‘evil’ Senju clan but was abandoned by his own clansmen and had to fight a one-man war on his own. Madara claims that his purpose in obtaining power had always been to protect the Uchiha clan from outside threats. And he says that his brother willingly ‘donated’ his eyes to him – something I highly doubt. When Madara says this, he clenches his arm with his hand, which Sasuke notices. I think this is a sign indicating that Madara is either lying or not revealing all the information to Sasuke.
When the Senju offered a truth to the Uchiha clan, Madara was the only one who was against it. I find it odd that he first claims that all his actions were to protect his brethren but then fervently reject a chance to finally end the deaths and sacrifices of his people. Also, why was Madara the only one who was against the truce? He was the leader of the Uchihas after all; wouldn’t his influence at least attract some followers to his side? I think Madara is trying too hard here to make him seem like the tragic hero.
The Uchihas and Senjus forged an alliance and began serving the Fire Country, thus forming the system of one hidden village per country and giving birth to Konoha. When Hashirama Senju was crowned the First Hokage, he had the support of all the people of Fire Country, even those of the Uchiha clan. But again, Madara happened to be the only one who knew the Senju were slowly going to strip away the Uchiha of their rights and powers. In the end, he was labeled a war-hungry opportunist even though he was trying to save his clan. Madara abandoned the village and, with his power to control the Kyuubi, waged a one-man war against the Leaf village.
Madara fought the First at the Valley of the End; he lost but convinced everyone that he had been killed there. He claims that after that event, in order to prevent other Uchihas from resenting Senju rule, the First Hokage’s brother made the Uchihas into the Konoha military police and integrated them into ANBU. It was supposedly all to group the Uchihas together so it would be easier to keep an eye on them. However, Madara claims that the Leaf’s higher-ups still had their suspicions about the Uchihas and the attack by Kyuubi 16 years ago confirmed their fears that the Uchihas were plotting to take control of the village. Madara says Kyuubi’s appearance was a natural disaster – but this is hard to believe coming from the guy who can control the Kyuubi in battle.
The Uchihas were then moved to their own section in the village – an order that the Third Hokage opposed but was supported by his advisors and Danzou. Supposedly after that, there was discrimination against the Uchihas. Yet during the flashbacks into Sasuke’s past, I never recall hearing Sasuke ever being discriminated against because of his bloodline. In fact, the image everyone seemed to have had of the Uchihas was that they were elite ninja who served and protected the people of Konoha. Madara also asserts that eventually the Uchihas started organizing a rebellion, with Sasuke’s father as one of its ring leaders. Yet in Sasuke’s flashbacks, never once was there a sign that the Uchihas were repressed or unhappy with their lives. But Madara says the Leaf’s leaders were still fearful and planted a spy amongst the Uchihas – they chose Itachi.
Madara certainly created quite an impressive conspiracy theory in this chapter. But he is not exactly a reliable and unbiased source of information. Without evidence, his words can hardly be trusted. Next chapter we finally get to hear about Itachi’s role in all of this and maybe some insight into what happened that night when the Uchihas were murdered. But remember to keep in mind who is telling the story.
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Like alway Bob great summary. I think he tellin the truth but from his point of view. Its like a lies you told so much you start thinkin it the truth.
But until someone else speak up on the Uchiha Clan we have no choice but to believe what Madara say.
Still think Tobi is Obito but until we see his face I got to go with Madara. Damn I would love to see a fight between Obito & Kakashi
awsome as usual bob but i miss the funnies ’sniff’
. i’m just as confused as anyone here due to madara’s story but i have a feeling that this story is true but we’ll just have to wait and see. ‘under breath’ effing cliffhanger 
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Madara paints a perfect picture of himself. To perfect. Being all innocent and all. There is some thruth to what he is saying. Just what part of it is he saying is the truth. I can’t see the Uchiha clan being discriminated against. Like Bob said, I never saw a Uchiha being looked down. In fact it is the opposite. They are highly respected. Villllage looked up to them. Also if the village feared the uchiha clan would call the kyuubi again. why weren’t the whole clan wiped out earlierlike right after the kyuubi attack. A good firend of mine told me a clan, or organinzation can’t be blamed for one person’s mistakes. This true. I can’t see all of Konoha blaming every Uchiha for Madara’s doings. I think the clan left Madara because of his ways. They quit trying to achieve the MS.Everything that MAdara stood for, the Uchiha clan stopped doing. They quit trying to kill their best friend and plucking out their brother’s eyes. The path of Madara is a powerful, dark road. He seemed like a war monger. The rest of the clan wanted peace. With know on to follow him, madara plotted his revenge. I am sure the battle at the valley of the end was about revenge. The first hokage had to battle Madara and the Kyuubi there.With the lost of the Kyuubi’s powers, MAdara was weakened. He had wait in secret plotting up the Akatsuki. When the seal or the first hokage’s influence/control of the Kyuubi ran out. Madara attacked Konoha with the kyuubi. I believe the first hokage through his powers put the kyuubi to a sleep trance or something. When the trance wore off the Kyuubi was sent by MAdara to attack Konoha. Through the fourth hokage’s self sacrifice, the kyuubi was sealed up again.
One more thing. on page 10,11 there are 7 swords. A couple of them look familar, like Zabuzo’s. I wonder if these are the seven swordsman of the mist swords. Thhey must come into play soon
I just said it on the chapter release page but “1st I think that the second hokage would be more likely to summon the 7 swords because he has water chakra, and harishima was probably the one to take on and possibly cancel out madra’s space/time jutsu
2nd I think there mabey some usefull information in the first naruto shippuden arc. I say this because the 12 shinobi guardsmen sound quite a lot like the seven swordsmen of the mist.”
Yes, i think Madara has lied about his brother giving him his eyes, just by asking…..”"”"Hey lil’ bro, i brought those groceries that mom asked about…BTW can you rip out your eyes, so that i can fight the Hokage….kthxbye , brb Hokage fight
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No, his brother had the MS also, he was quite strong himself…..he wouldn’t have done it, unless, he was brainwashed under Madara’s influence…y’know being the Uchiha leader and all….
And though Madara doesn’t seem a reliable source of information, The Uchiha Rebellion and Itachi’s role in the story seems pretty believable, from where i’m standing, and Sasuke is unexpectedly impressionable…..next chapters will have to shed some light to this Conspiracy Theory…
that basicaly sums up whats been discused so far, 1. the seven swords during the madra harishima fight 2. how could the 1st even come close to what we have seen as madra’s abilities
there are definately wholes in madra’s story, I would like to know more about the senju and their abilities
And True is that the Uchiha’s weren’t persecuted….they were almost worshipped by the rest of Konoha, the Uchiha fighting class was one of the most feared and had a great reputaton in the Ninja World….Sasuke wasn’t really discriminated, he was in fact appreciated for his Sharingan Heritage, and Itachi was the goddamn prodigy, one of the most appreciated shinobi in Konoha at the time……tsst, tsst, Madara you’z hidin’ the truth, you commie -__-
yes, the 7 swords….hmmm….i wonder what their role in this, really is, i don’t think it’s a coincidence….Kishi wouldn’t leave such a major coincidence for nothing……
For the 1st Hokage to take down Madara and the 9 tails his chakra must be massive or he knew some crazy techniques.I guess he was madara’s rival for a reason.
I mentioned that itachi and kisame may have been undercover but,if the seven swordsman are really apart of all this then it wouldn’t be much of a coincidence that him and itachi teamed up would it.
“I mentioned that itachi and kisame may have been undercover but,if the seven swordsman are really apart of all this then it wouldn’t be much of a coincidence that him and itachi teamed up would it.”
yea, that could be right, and twisting it a little, maybe Suigetsu knows something about this,huh?
Well i’m about like everyone else i think most of Madara story is true but so parts are very questionable. here are some of my holes i see in his story.
1. Him not using the Kyuubi to attack Konoha false.
2. Him saying Itachi killed the clan by himself false.
3. Him claiming to be a leader of the Uchiha Clan sound not to be the true as Bob and others are questioning now.
4. Uchiha Clan was hired by the Konoha to protect and then demoted to doing Po,Po (Police) work.
d’oh I didn’t even see those seven swords in that picture. I guess the big one on the far right is Zabuza’s cleaver, the third one from the right could be Kisame’s, but you can’t really be sure since he keeps it bandaged up all the time. But I don’t see Raiga’s sword, he had two smaller ones that acted as lightning rods. Still, what could possibly be the First Hokage’s connection with the Seven Swordsmen of the Bloody Mist?
Believe or not i think Madara is telling the truth about his brother giving his his eyes,because look at how Neji dad gave his life up for Hinata dad to live because of him being apart of Main family household when he done it for the greater good of the hyuga clan and konoha. And also when he mention Itachi being a Konoha spy i believe that because if he wasn’t the leaf village would’ve went after him more than they did.
Yes, great blog bob, I always love hearing your perspective, I think there are two sides to every story an neither one is completely right. I’m sure if anyone asked Danzou or the advisers there side it would be that Madara was an evil war mongerer and that he savagely killed his best friend and stole his brothers eyes for power.
The truth of every story lies with a mixture of both sides. A happy median from madaras and konoha perspectives.
Can’t wait for next chapter, I want to see hebi, kisame, and naruto finding out aboeut pein and jiraiya and the SECRET CODE!
I second what KakashiDaSixKage is saying. I would love to see a fight between Obito & Kakashi
“And also when he mention Itachi being a Konoha spy i believe that because if he wasn’t the leaf village would’ve went after him more than they did.”
…..Madara knew about this, and he could’ve killed Itachi by himself or with help from the other Akatsuki’s….. BUT Madara is a Mastermind, he could’ve killed Itachi, but chose not to, and he built upon that…. he has a trick up his sleeve, a plan to assert revenge…..and i believe that although Madara may be telling some truth, it’s not all of it, AND IT’S Madara we’re talking about….this will have an interesting outcome
Bob Great Post as usual
But I disagree.
Madara is hiding something, but don’t looks like a lair to me.. The think with his arm, is usually a sing to control anger or suffering .
About his brother it is possible, out of love he could have give up his eyes and life.
There are proves of the Uchiha’s uneasiness -see Sasuke’s memories. The clan was in a bad position according to Sasukes mother (manga or anime don’t remember exactly).
The clan was conspiring (YES). Sasuke remember a night were his father mother and Itachi gather with the lights out. They were talking about a secret meeting that would have take place next day (and next Itachi killed shishui instead of going to the meeting)
About the UCHIHAS
The Uchiha clan diminished since Madara lefts. I suppose that they decided to stop having more than one son, to stop the possibility of new MS; because they initially believed that Madara greed for power and war, and they didn’t want a new Madara.
So Sasuke and Itachi were unique brothers literally.
May be Fugaku and his wife have Sasuke to avail the power of the MS again. Madara said that the clan realized that they were mistaken about betraying him; but he didn’t say that it happened before or after Sasuke was born.
If I were in Sasuke’s shoes, I will go back to Konoha, and find out if there are secret records of the past among the Roods archives, or in The Uchiha secret meeting place.
I wonder if Kakashi was an ANBU at the moment of the Uchiha massacre.
About KYUUBI
In the first chapter the Kyuubi attack was described as a natural disaster. Madara could have been pulling the strings or not. But I do believe that at that time Madara was injured and lost part of his powers (trying to control the fox either to restrain him or made him attack)
Madara “is a shell of his former self†now (Itachi said). “His eyes and power remained intact†after his fight with the First Hokage (Itachi said)
SEVEN SWORDS
Well Suigetsu goal is to collect the sever swords of the mist (Karin suggest that, and I agree). There must be a special power if u put them together.
Also, Oroshimaru wanted to stop the Akatsuki Organization, and he seduced Sasuke, and captured Suigetsu. I wonder if Oroshimaru found out something about the “Swordsman of the Mistâ€, but not all. But I don’t get why Zabuza’s sword was let without ward for so long if Madara new the power of the sever. Unless: Suigetsu got just a fake from Zabuza’s grave.
MADARA
What keeps me confused about Madara is his last chat with Pein. He said that they didn’t want Sasuke and Team Hebi to learn about their plans; or they will stop them, or try to stop them (don’t remember exactly).
SO Was Madara talking about capturing Naruto and collecting the 7 of the Mist? Was he talking about the total destruction of Konoha and the Hidden Villages? Or what?
For now it looks like he is telling the true.
I doubt that Madara wants to use the bijuus to destroy Konoha. Yes he want to avenge his clan, and destroy the Senju or part of them. I expect another Kishi’s surprise: Imagine if Madara want to seal the tailed beast back in hell. I will love if he does that, then the curse on the Uchiha destiny will be over. Even all Kekei Genkai can be somehow related to the bijuus, and these especial powers can disappear if the bijjus are sent to hell.
Both Madara and Konoha hide sth and lie about sth but they have reavealed a part the truth.Well after those swords in the picture Kishi may show and tell us why Itachi and Kisame are a team.Their elements don’t much , in fact they are completly different but Kisame and Itachi seem that they had known each other before Akatsuki.Uchihas were strong and feared by everyone(except Senjus).I don’t know what to think about the eyes of Madara’s brother.The Uchihas had to be in a very bad situation and that’s why he decided to offer his eyes.Then again he was powerful himself but not leader of the Uchihas and still giving your eyes so easily………Konoha’s behaviour against the Uchihas was terrible but they loved the Senju’s and they couldn’t see that the Uchihas were used as their dogs!@scrubby what you ‘ve said about Neji’s dad it’s true but that doesn’t mean that it was the same with Madara and his brother.And yes Itachi believe that Itachi was Konoha’s spy as well because they would have chased him more if he wasn’t and the onl reason that he left the village was because the “master minds”(anbu , hokage ….bluh bluh bluh or the one who ordered him)din’t want to tell the truth to the citizens.If they had told the truht then they would be the bad and cruel guys and the Konoha’s citizens eyes.I think that Sasuke will follow Madara because he is easy to convince and if what Madara said is true or at least the bad parts about Uchihas-Senju’s and Konoha then he would want to avenge his clan.(I don’t believe that what Madara said is the total truth.)
Yea, so it seems, Madara wants to destroy the System of the Hidden Villages……hmm…..i guess he just has a Megalomania Syndrome, to conquer the world…..by destroying or taking hold over each of the Hidden villages most valued items/traditions…..i.e. Hidden Mist Village Of Mist has the 7 Swords……very PSYCHOlogical there Madara
Yea, probbly Sasuke will follow Madara, but not because he’s easily impressed, he’s not…..it’s because *ye olde steretoypes* he’s an Avenger…..and so is Madara it seems(he says exactly the same thing in that pic of the 7 swords)
he fights for what he thinks is right, it depends on what he finds as truth or lie
I have a friend that is a “secret service agent†of my country (like a special police) He always said never tell everything about yourself, or everything about an event, or you will give a weapon to your enemy, a weapon that will destroy you.
I suppose is a bit the same in the shinobi world. See all the lies and half true … Naruto’s parents identity, the foundation of the village, the massacre of the Uchiha, the identity of konohamaru parents, the face of Kakashi, Sai past… and hundred more things
And i forgot sth.Bob Great blog as always.
Many thing will happen and i’m afraid that there will be some very sad and tragic events.If Madara takes Sasuke with him then almost nothing can stop him.Except from Itachi if he is alive…Naruto and the rest of the gang.Sasuke is a very strong Ninja after all he is Kage rank or Jouni Elite or super Ninja sth…I can’t wait to see Naruto’s trainning fruits and he’s reaction when he learns about J’s death and that he left sth for him : the note: (probably very useful.Sure not probably).I hope he learns a new element or his father’s jutsu.Or at least i excpect that he ll andvance some jutsud and he ll learn new.We haven’t seen many fuuton jutsus but Naruto is not using any them.
Sasuke sure thinks that he is same like Madara about the whole avenger thing and he ll follow him for two reasons.Firstly because they both are avengers.Secondly beacause he ll want to take his revenge from Konoha.But he may want to kill Madara in the same time so he ll follow him but he ll be thinking of how he ll kill hima after they succeed.
Madara has a plan with Pain that wants to keep it secret for Sasuke.That s a clue that Madara is not telling the truth or the whole truth.He he just uses Sasuke for his own sake like Itachi.He hid some plans of his from Itachi and kept them for himself and maybe Pain.But i think that he hides stuff from Pein as well and so does Pein.
Septh Madara wanted Pein to go after Naruto. He have to keep it a secret from Sasuke. If Sasuke finds out Madara plan is in deep trouble. Sasuke may join up with Naruto instead of Madara. So lets hope Sasuke turn to the darkside cause a rematch of Naruto and Sasuke is a MUST
P.S. On a side note I wish Kabutoro and Kakashi go at.
great summary bob
this is whats on my mind
1. how did madara survive the battle of the end? i think it mite have something to do with stealing his brothers eyes. all we know about that is that he isnt blind anymore. what if it gave him some rebirth thing
2. shouldn’t sasuke know these thin gs? itachi did tell him to go and read about it in the uchiha secret place. if its a secret place with a secret scroll dont u think there would be something about a secret past?
3. idk if madara is really lying all that much. i think that hes sweetening it up for sasuke to make i seem like hes a ‘good guy’
4. i think his clenching himself mite be him remembering his brother.
idk just some theories haha
i think shodaime let madara live and in the scroll there was’nt something about the past because only 3th elders and danzo knew it so if it was in the scrioll the whole uchiha clan wouled know it and that would make a revolution for shure
We don’t know all of Madara’s plans.Akatsuki (Madara – Pain are) is after him but i don’t think that theit plans stop on taking his Bijuu.And rule the world bluh bluh..
Oh septhiroth great point about Sasuke thinking he is like Madara about the avenger. Both being outsiders and that. But also being neglected and being the only Uchiha left in his village sets him a wide way out.
akatsuki want to play god and use the byuu to destroy and rebuild a world witout war
Also the sword that Sasuke posseses isit one of the seven swords of the mist. Because he can channel chidori current through it and im assuming it only does that because its one of those legendary swords that have a unique ability for each one you come across.
Its a bit farfetched but what if Akatsuki combined the power of all bijuu’s to summon a horrific unbeatable monster, well hw ould have a weakness but with putting all the entities of the Bijuu into that special summon perhaps it mayy awaken something vey powerful. So maybe Madara has things planned further ahead and is planning to let out something of mass destruction taking no chances. Also maybe he may not be able to control it himself but may need another Uchiha with the MS to help him to control it (its just a theory)
Seph- I see Sasuke going with Madara so he can learn how to use the new powers Itachi gave him and to perfect his skills and at the end turn on Madara just like u said, but about Madara brother did it because Madara was considered as the leader and they both believed in the same thing that was to defeat the Senju Clan so i can see why his little brother would give his eyes to Madara only with that reasoning.
Yeah i agrre with you from the first time but i said that it’s not nesecerily the same situation.But guy i want some naruto.I’m very thankful that kishi showed us some extrodinary stuff but ok.He left us with more questions and excitment.But what about Naruto and his trainning and the village and J’s death and if they have learned it or where is the toad now??….is he heading for the village????Don’t you agree?
ok the whole 7 swords thing doesnt seem likely
yeah but u can believe when it leave this scene its not going to go back to Sasuke and Madara for a while ,so be happy to hear about Sasuke right now because its going to be briefand its almost over.
idk naruto is kinda boring haha
Sorrryy for that spambut guys don’t you think that Neji should take a team and train it now that he is a Jounin?
He should Seph but does he have the patience to deal the Rookies. Can you imagine him training someone like Naruto or Rock Lee when they were Rookies LOL. I can see Neji going crazy and hit them with the gentle fist
Nah what would make more interesting storyline is that if Neji went evil and found a guy to help him develop his eye to the level higher than the Sharingan and Naruto had to fight him also with Sasuke and Pein.
i think the problem here is that everyone just wants Madara to be a pure evil villain who will do anything to accomplish his goals thus most people here are biased. we should have an open mind and try to consider the possibility and implications of madara’s account being true.
if what he says is true, it would explain why itachi wanted sasuke to hate him and why he planted amaterasu in sasuke’s eye. itachi never wanted sasuke to find this truth. he wanted sasuke to put all the blame on him without making konoha the enemy. if madara had succumbed to amaterasu, his plan would have worked.
we all wondered why itachi who wiped out his clan didn’t kill kakashi when he easily had the chance. why did he seek naruto out? why did he not use susanoo from the beginning of the fight and just kill sasuke instead he took time to show susuke all his moves and purged him of the curse seal as well as orochimaru’s influence. furthermore madara himself said that itachi sacrificed everything to save konoha, the shinobi world and his little brother.
think about it. if the coup had worked how many descendants of the senju would have died. so in a way, he did save konoha. madara himself said that when the truce was agreed upon, he asked what happened to all the hatred. which makes perfect sense. if two clans had hated and killed each other for decades, do you think all that hatred would disappear so easily after signing a truce? no, on the surface every thing would seem okay but deep within feelings of resentment would still be haboured.
furthermore, have we forgotten who danzo is? we all know how ruthless and emotionless he can be. if anyone convinced the village heads to wipe out the uchiha clan, it would be him. why did he want sasuke dead? yes we all know it was said that if orochimaru who was an enemy to konoha obtained sasuke’s body, konoha would be in grave danger. but what if danzo wanted sasuke dead because he feared sasuke would discover the truth?
now back to kyuubi attacking konoha. madara himself said that it was a natural accident not something sent by him or the uchiha. of course this is hard to believe. jiraiya suspects that madara must have been the one that sent the kyuubi upon konoha. we have yet to find the truth. it may have been madara or a natural disaster. all we know is that the kyuubi appears in places were strife and conflict seems to be the norm. konoha appeared to be at peace at the time so there is a possibility that madara may have been responsible. to control the kyuubi, MS is required. this was a secret kept by the uchiha. at the time only Madara had such power.
bob said that based on sasuke’s flashbacks, there was no discrimination b/w uchihas and the village. i argue that there are different forms of portraying discrimination. think about it. ho come no uchiha was made an elder of the village? no uchiha was part of the government. konoha would tolerate a man like danzo who stood against the 3rd whilst holding substancial power in the anbu to the point of forming his own organzation anbu root. yet the uchiha’s who held no governing power or say as to how the village was to be run were shrouded under suspision. of course they would never show discrimination in public but think about it. why make the uchiha’s a police force? police force for what? in the manga the duty of the police force was to capture and retrieve all missing nins. isn’t that part of the job of the anbu. moreover, it felt like the uchihas were being segregated. i think a lot of things were going on under the table which sasuke a kid would have had no way of knowing.
if itachi had been ordered to wipe out his clan, that decision had to have come from a general consensus. if the two advisors, danzo and the 3rd made all decisions by vote, you can imagine how easy it would be to make the 3rd power less. and for thos who still don’t believe that konoha made itachi do this, consider this: while itachi was killing the members of his clan, you want to tell me that fathers, mothers and children were crying and shouting as they were being killed yet no body in konoha heard this. nobody in konoha felt like they needed to do anything about this. the anbu that know everything that was going did not hear a thing? are u saying that people being killed just closed their mouths and accepted being killed?
a while back, i read someone’s blog who asked why was it that no investigation was carried out to determine where itachi was? no search party was sent out. and ask yourself. in danzo’s bingo book, sasuke was there yet itachi wasn’t included as a possible threat to konoha. why? u tell me.
I do think that the Uchiha’s were up to something…that meeting the night Itachi was supposedly out killing Shisui is very suspicious. And there were way too many hints that the Uchiha’s might have had conflict with the rest of the leaf village to ignore the theory that maybe there was some real strife there; remember, Sasuke’s dad wasn’t too thrilled with Itachi near the end and we never really found out why.
But there’s something up with Madara’s story. I definitely think Bob’s point about it painting him in too positive a light is true…but I think even more confusing is how Madara lost the fight at the Valley of the End. I just don’t see how a super-powerful Sharingan user who can summon the 9-tailed fox is going to lose. I wonder if he didn’t lose intentionally so that he could disappear and begin plotting without interference.
nice big post white fang
I agree with Bob about the swords, Raiga’s are missing and I could only find six in the picture. Also there could be more then one sword per swordsmen. I don’t know, and I definately agree with Merlin about Madra loseing, but the voice in the back of my head asks “If he could beat the Senju’s why would he need to scheme?”
This a good post bob.The thing mentioned before about the seven swordsman is Very unlikely.And i think madaras telling the truth besides hes our only source right now and the only other people the can give a different point of view to this story are Danzou and The Elders…..And one Good question i have….Since madara’s mangekyou is powerful enough to control Kyubi Do you think he can control it even While its inside naruto or can he extract it from him or even somehow control naruto…To make da qustion short…Does Madaras control of the kyubi have any effect on naruto?
hehe .. these “talking” chapters is kinda boring .. i like fights!!
by the way, i dont understand this :/
because , noone can ever overpower the genjutsu tsukyomi , (oh sasuke did but he has sharingan)
i dont think the senju leader could overcame a genjutsu .. if madara didnt do a genjutsu on the senju leader he didnt fight at full power , this is my theory.
Matter fact now that i think about it the seven swordsmen thing IS possibly….AND yeah ma question on post 52 its a qood question …sumone answer it
Or give their insight
I think that the sharingan’s inability to control the kyubii in a host was the whole reason it was sealed in naruto, also I belive it was done because the first can only control jinkuri and not free biju (This is not fact just my oppinion)
Anaujiram, The Sixth element blog has my theory on tsukyomi and how the first could cancel it but, again, it’s just my theory
hey dyckmanstoughest
i dont think madara can control the kyubi inside naruto. its sealed inside naruto and i dont think he can. orrrrrrr he might. i dont think he needs too
Oh, and because it is unclear above, Tsukyomi is overpowerable but, it requiers space/time ninjutsu along with the regular genjutsu canceling, This is similar to what Oro was doing when he was switching bodies. (His own demension thing)
But the First hokage was Already dead when the fourth had sealed the biju into naruto wasnt he?
If Madra could control the kyubi dont you think that he would just use mind control to bring the kyubi to him rather than waste usefull henchmen fighting the leaf village?
im most worried about what sasuke is going to do next
it looks like hes going to do a ‘orochimaru’ and hate konoha.
and i for one dont want to see that happen
He was but his decendants/Yamanato weren’t. Also some people (Not me) believe that naruto/minato could be senju decendants.
If sasuke pulls an orochimaru i feel bad for konoha .Theyre not going to have any uchihas and dere a sannin short and Asumas dead and he played a role in the last attack
Score I’m a jounin (Ha ha Anaujiram this is what your whining gets you) I’m starting to see Oro’s point of view, I mean he was in Akatsuki, I think all of Saskue’s life has prepared him to take the step from Anakin to Darth Vader. Just think about it he has the avenger title, he worked for Oro and now he is in the clutches of Madra while he is psycologicaly unstable.
Ther will definatly be a naruto vs. saskue battle concluding the series.
Minato is a senju descendant b.c on page 13 wen he says the seju retained supremacy it shows minato on the statues of the hokages so obviously the first 4 hokages were Senju
The third was from the Sarutobi (Something mokey I think) clan and Minato’s last name was namikaze (Something wind related) but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t have taken a different name. I however think that both the third and fourth were from non-Senju clans (Because they would have Senju kekkai genkai)
ya like i said before this is starting to look like a star wars thing
another thing that i pain to point out…. (sigh) itachi didnt do a good job on keeping the ‘truth’ from sasuke. itachi lived most of his life trying to protect sasuke from madara and know look, sasuke is hearing it all :/
Naruto is Minato’s son however he was given his mother’s name because the village put a taboo on speaking of the nine-tailed-fox sealing. Uzumaki means hurricane (I think, I always confuse hurricane and whirilpool) This is why I think he will create a hurricane jutsu by mastering water chakra and combining it with wind. However he might lean towards fire chakra because thats what the kyubii has.
Star wars was a great story, and if kishi gets some of his inspiration from his favorite manga’s (Stated in an interview somewhere) then why not a multi-million dollar blockbuster seires?
lol mart1 i dont see why not
hmmm this is getting interesting… I can’t wait for the next chapter!
….i readed this last friday on htt://www.onemanga.com!! y are we delayed bob??
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…AKATSUKI a intervention to save the world??
to make world peace they will made a arm intervention with the power of the bijous ….
…how nice as the recent anime i just finished watching Gundam 00 ….just like the Celestial being their made a arm intervention to make word peace by atacking both sides! ,,,,to make unity! but in the last they made sacrifices! and lost members of the Gundam Meisters! just like the akAtsuki..slowly demissing in number……….y we are so late!!!!!! Onemanga.com ! released the latest chater last friday!…but i think i know y we are late hir bob! u nid to summarize the chapter on better point of views!!ehehe keep it up
…do u mean dyckmans toughest… do u mean minato namikaze is a senju taht means naruto is a senju bloodline just like tsunade??
All of madara’s plan r coming together he is just trying to get Sasuke to help him with the destruction of the leaf lets just hope sasuke does not fall for it.
I think Madara clenches his arm because what he’s telling something painful for him
Congrat Mart1, Sasuke is a guppy and Madara already own him. Konoha is going to have his hand full with Pein, Madara, Zestu and Sasuke!!!
I just hope Danzo and the Elder spill the beans before its to later. We all know Pein and Tsunada is going to be one helluva a fight. I would love to see Sasuke vs Neji. Byakugan vs Sharingan a match made heaven
ya i really hope sasuke doesn’t go bad
“Oh septhiroth great point about Sasuke thinking he is like Madara about the avenger. Both being outsiders and that.”
Ok, i stated that, but whatever, these days nobody gives the respective authorship to the true author……eh….whatever
And great theories so far, guys….
except for Anaujiram, man, whatchu talkin’ about foo’ ?
Madara didn’t fight at his full power….so your theories kinda goes like this : “Madara could’ve won if he fought with Shodaime at his full strength, but he chose not to ‘coz he wanted to wait 2 decades, so that he can take over Konoha now, ‘though he could won back then”
that suuuuuure makes sense
…. now c’mon dude, Madara would’ve taken every opportunity to win, and you’re saying he didn’t want to….
Oh Mart1 congrats on becoming a Jounin. However you know you were saying that the 3rd and 4th being from a non senju clan the 3rd im not really bothered with. However Minato i think i am. We also have to look at factors that could have affected this for instance the genes of the Senju kekkai genkai could remain dormant
Furthermore couldnt it have just skipped him its possible but i highly doubt so. I think the senju clans abilities may have been quite wide spread and not just focused on one point. (just a theory). Minato was veeeeerrry talented and intelligent also he was able to take out squads with no ease and so on so im assuming his abilities may just be a mutation or weaker versions of the senju clan
Mart1 i do think that Naruto and Minato are descendants im not entirely sure but there are little clues that i looked at that i said before
Like i said first of all there was the battle between Madara and the 1st at the valley of the end. Madara was defeated. i linked this to future events at Naruto and Sasuke had a fight here however Sasuke came out on top this time, however like you said mart1 there will be a fight soon enough between Sasuke and Naruto its a definite.
This time i think Naruto would overcome to. Also it would actually make sense to as they would probably be the last of each clan. In addition to this it just seems like a deeper storyline this way, two ninjas from clans that constantly fought eachother. Grew up together not knowing what happened.
Even if they (naruto, minato, heck, even sarutobi) are senju, they don’t seem to carry the 1st’s kyuubi controlling powers. Not even tsunade, his grandduaghter, can pull it off. It was something truly unique to him, not like a normal bloodline trait. So I’m not sure it matters if they descendants or not … they don’t have his abilities. If they did, I’m pretty sure Minato wouldn’t have gone and sacrificed his life like he did.
One more thing about Itachi not being such a great guy…why would he let himself die? He knew that he was still stronger than his brother. If he really thought, with all his strength, that he still wasn’t strong enough to beat Madara then why the heck would he let himself get killed? Wouldn’t it be better to find a way to team up with Sasuke? Or at least keep protecting him (sasuke) from the inside of Akatsuki? And as someone pointed out correctly above – Itachi kinda screwed the pooch here if he was trying to protect sasuke from Madara…
There’s something seriously wrong with all of this. I wonder if Itachi is really dead.
And if Madara keeps on his story and just happened to mention that Naruto was of the senju clan (farfetched as usual). In which Sasuke happens to believe all that he says then im sure a burning desire to get revnge would burn up in Sasuke and he would try and Kill Naruto or probably catch him in order for Madara to continue with his plans. You see alot could happen. It would just set the scene for Naruto vs. Sasuke.
True but there must be a reason why the kyuubi was sealed into Naruto. Going to my favorite point of the blog made by Mart1 the one about the 1st being able to control the jinkuri’ but not he actual bijuu. Vice versa with Madara. Which leads to my mutation point that yes the 1st may have unique abilities to himself maybe thats it about the senju clan they have many unique abilities. The 4th we know his space/ time justu and so on. Maybe Naruto is being able to fuse the Bijuu’s chakra with his own as we know only Naruto’ s chakra/ body can withstand the nine tailed fox’s chakra. if anyone else they would have died.
Anyways im out ill be back later to give more ideas. See ya later peeps ice gone to ball
Congrats Mart1 for becoming a jounin !
Yeah it would be nice if Naruto was from Senju clan.And this will make the story even more interesting because Sasuke and Naruto are the “last”(not excactly for Sasuke but..) their clans.Their clans were enemies but they were friends.B
But ok enough with the whole Senju-Uchiha story .. at least for now.I want some Naruto !!!!
GH cool avatar !
I believe that Naruto can fuse his own chakra with the Fox’s.This would give him great power.And maybe the Fox’s element Katon.After all Naruto deserves some power.Kishi has forgoten him.A new element or the fusion of his chakra with the Kyuubi’s chakra would be awesome.Now that Naruto knows his element i hope that Kakashi will teach him some Fuuton jutsus.I really want to see some Fuuton jutsu’s.Naruto was always using his Kage bunshins the rasengans(Rasengan , Oodama…) and his taijutsu.I want Naruto to learn some new and advanced justus from his element.Like Asuma’s technique.He could use that technique with his Kunais.Or he could gain great speed like his father or at least a become faster.I can’t remember Kishi showing us many fuuton jutsus.
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omg everyone is jounins
DAMNIT!!1
anyhow,
i think madara is telling the truth ..
but , i dont think Itachi was given orders or were a sacrifice and a GOOD boy.. if he was a good boy ,he wouldnt help akatsuki catch bijuus ..
and many things like he do for them. OMG ,
Itachi wanted to be close to Madara so he could kill him.Like said during the battle with Sasuke.He said he has a plan to overpower him.Itachi-san IS GOOD.
you know, Anaujiram, there is a saying, ” A Great Evil for A Greater Good”, Itachi was good…….don’t that suck
… i thought he wuz EVIIIIILLLLLL!!!! ….eh
That saying is usualy what maniacs use to justify their actions… so it fits perfectly
Ohh what a sweet chapter!!
What the hell, i’m just confused . I’m still at the first part of the story with the kill off of the Uchiha. Whats the beef with Madara and Sasuke.
I JUST DONT GET IT!!!
….. it is still a justification no matter who’s side of the story…..and it would mean Itachi was still evil … yay ^_^
to be honest o dont know if hes teling the truth or just tring to take sasuke on his side to destroy konoha
Yeah but sth tells me that Itachi-san is good.Og course i don’t trust madara.He needs Sasuke to accomplice his plans.But as i’ve said dozens of times he told some true facts and hide some other like Konoha.Konoha’s truth has blank spots as well.So we wait till the big battle.I think that Kishi well show us the true facts in big battle or he ll reavealing some parts of the truth during battles.
Let me state first that I don’t trust Madara either. However I recently read again those chapters in the manga with Sasuke’s flashbacks during his battle with Naruto. So I was reading what Itachi was saying; that what all the other clan members think about is the clan and they don’t see the big picture and stuff like that. It went kinda like that i think.
I think that some of the things Itachi said hint towards what Madara is saying now. Or correspond well. Reading this new chapter 399 made me think I understood what Itachi was saying back then and why he was saying it. We don’t really know what the clan had meetings for but we do know that they considered Itachi important as their link to the village, meaning that the Uchihas were somewhat removed from the rest of the village’s affairs.
So, even if I don’t trust Madara I think some of the information he is giving out might be true. Definitely not all though.
Yes the Uchiha clan was removed from Konoha and it leaved in a small village of their own near to Konoha.
@Anaujiram about the Tsukyomi Hashimara had to look at Madara’s eyes in order to be trapped.I don’t think that an intelligent and strong fighter wouldn’t have analysed or learn his opponents moves or special abilities and both Senju and Uchiha clan kekkai genkai’s were well known.But maybe Madara did use it.Why don’t know what kind of acces the 1st had .We don’t even know his fighting style or his techniques except from the kekkai genkai and some little details.
Yes, I know. My point is that perhaps they didn’t like that and maybe they were really going to rebel, which would mean that Madara could be saying the truth about that. I don’t agree with Bob that there’s no sign of a conspiracy in Sasuke’s flashbacks because we don’t know what went on in the clan’s meetings.
But I don’t believe that Madara is saying the entire truth when he portrays himself as the tragic hero. I agree with Bob on that one. It sounds a lot like he’s making excuses, Madara.
Yes me either.Madara Uchiha is deffenetly not a tragic hero.
That is obvious, to quote some one or other… “If I ever become a super-villan my henchmen is going to be a five year old.” The question isn’t about weather or not it’s true, it’s weather or not Saskue will believe him
Well if we think of Sasuke’s character and past then yes he will believe and follow him but not because he likes him.He ll searching for ways to kill him when they finish their plans.I don’t think that they will finish their plans.But Sasuke will oppose him and try to kill him.Unfortunately Sasuke is easy to convince
damn i’m way late very late but first great post and analysis as usual Bob. This Madara has really done a number on telling the story to make him look like the injured party in all this, and sasuke is just the sucker to gobble it all up hook line and sinker.
if sasuke joins him Naruto will in between a rock and a hard place, no doubt orders will be issued for Sasuke to be killed even if it doesn’t come from Konoha, some other village will give orders to. Sasuke will make the bingo book of every ninja in every country.
Plus to complete Madara’s plans Sasuke will have to hunt Naruto, intresting plot twist.
yea, but we don’t know what Sasuke’s reacti0n will be when Madara finishes his story, he may feel a mixture of emotions, but Sasuke isn’t someone who can be that easily fooled…..Madara may have an ace up his sleeve, twisting the story in his favor, he takes advantage of Sasuke’s way of the Avenger
About the first hokage we really don’t know the extent of his own power.They did say he was at the top of the shinobi world and beside his wood ninjutsu we don’t know what else he can do.And when yall talk about the uchiha’s you make them seem like invincible gods,but in fact they say they were on equal footing as the senju.
Yeah sasuke will be drawn in once again so he can fulfill his own goal.And in the process he probably will end up fight naruto again.
I don’t think madara will be easily fooled either.madara knows sasuke killed is own master in orochimaru and even his brother itachi was plotting to get rid of madara.So i don’t think madara will let sasuke get close enough to take any kind of revenge.But madara will hold on to sasuke long enough to get what he needs out of him.
Yeah i agree with both Ryeno and Chaos i dont really see Sasuke being so easily confused, also with the state he’s in im sure he knows he needs to be careful with what he decides to believe. Madara must have a trump card i think he is just buliding up to it
By the way thanks for the comment on my new avatar even though i cannot see it. By the way Anaujiram your telling me not to spam after i made valid comments. That’s quite a lot coming from you but its ok. LOOOL. I dont spam like the master does. Take a guess A……..
Yeah he must have an acce.Maybe when he finishes his stroy.You know he tells Sasuke sth very tragic and he ends his story with that.
Yeah you know i could actually having Sasuke having a tick list of every Ninja to eliminate with his number one target as Naruto Uzumaki, and everytime he enters his lair he throws a dart at Naruto face,. LOOOOOL jus messing around, im not sure what Sasuke is going to do.
But im assuming because Sasuke doesnt have much to actually lean to and he was bent on revenge, he may follow that path again just by killing of ninjas of Konoha, but i think this where the darth vader thing comes in. Where Nruto will change his heart when they fight how the hell he is going to do that i got no idea
If Madara takes Sasuke with his side then the things are getting very serious amd bad.Sasuke is a top ninja and he has proven it and Madara is Madara.
.Now is a good time for Kishi to show us some of Naruto’s proggres.I hope that Naruto is stronger and had learn a few new and powerful tricks except from his new jutsu(which has a very verryyy baddd impact on Naruto.)
Yeah i think that is actually quite unfair that it does that to him, i kno its a dum idea but couldn’t he just wear something like gloves in order to protect his hands and so on so it doesn’t affect him
Someone needs to draw a picture of tsunade trying to do the senju kekkai genkai and then have the 1st telling her she is adopted
Looool Mart1 thats deep man. Adopted could be but i highly doubt so that was a good thought without even trying mart1
Even if Tsunade is from the Senju clan that doesn’t mean that she should have the kekkai genkai of the clan.Some characteristics pass some generation.So maybe that is what happened in Tsunade’s occasion.Sasuke’s father didn’t have the sharingan.But his sons Itachi-san and Sasuke-kun have it.Well he may had it but maybe he never tried to woke it.Maybe it’s the same occasion with Tsunade.And we have seen Tsunade fighting only once or twice (i think it’s only once.)And back then when she was fighting Orochimaru she was filled with anger and she wanted to kill Orochimaru with brutal force not with ninjutsu.But maybe she ’s adopted like mart1 stated or to useless or she doesn’t care.
I also want to learn about Akatsuki.We haven’t seen or hear sth.No Pein no Zetsu.Kishi must clear if Itachi is dead(Itachi-san lives for ever
).Come on get out of Tobi’s hide out.I ant to see what will be their next move.After recruting Sasuke( not nesseccerily i just say my theories) i don’t think that they ll go straight for Konoha.
And if Madara convince Sasuke to join him will he make him an Akatsuki member or just a personal assistant-parthener.It would be fun if Sasuke teams up with Kisame.Kisame probably hates him for what he did to Itachi-san (sniff sniff).And he ll try to kill him or he ll talking about how good brother Itachi-san was.That he always wanted to send presents at Sasuke’s birthday but Madara and Pein didn’t left him because sth like would destroy Akatsukis bad and evil image …ahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahah
Ryeno and all…the reason i mentioned earlier that I don’t understand how Madara could have lost to the first is that we’ve repeatedly been informed that the 3rd was the strongest ninja ever until the 4th. This has been confirmed mutliple timeslike the battle between the 1st and 3rd during the chunin-exam arc and by statements made by various ninja.
So we know the 1st wasn’t as strong as the 3rd or 4th hokages. We also know that Itachi is really, really strong – strong enough to beat Orochimaru…something the 3rd could barely do. So if Itachi is on the same level as the 3rd and Madara is supposedly even stronger than Itachi…how could he have lost to the 1st, who is much weaker than the 3rd?
I think it has something to do with the ability to control the Kyuubi…I wonder if maybe the 1st was able to free the Kyuubi of Madara’s control and the Kyuubi turned on Madara. It didn’t seem like the fox had much love for the Uchiha’s when he ran into Sasuke.
idk i think that knowing sasuke he mite follow madara. i dont think hes going to follow him because they are the same. naruto and sasuke were a little the same but sasuke did stick around haha
*might
sorry
oh and merlin i dont agree much with what ur saying
no one like losing especially a guy like madara
if u didnt see the picture the dude got stabbed by a sword
i doubt he planed that
i think that each hokage was strong in there own way.
and i also think the 1rs was super strong. he kicked madaras and the 9 tails butt
i dont think thats week
Merlin the only reason the 3rd lost to Orochimaru is because he wasnt strong enough due to his old age. Remember the 3rd ruled then the 4th took over then he had to come back so fight wasnt exactly fair.
Yh and herotom182 i agree you there i believe that its better do have more diverse Hokage than just having strong Hokage’s because they need to be able to think on their feet and so on. Also its not just about being strong
A Good or the best example i could say we have as the moment altough he isnt so assertive he would make an excellent Hokage altough he may not be so powerful his brain easily makes up for that Shikamaru can easily think on his feet and so durable and he’s a flexible thinker. So he would make a great Hokage
Also the third i doubt in terms of power is stronger than 1st altough he had a very very wide arrange of jutsu’s and was realll smart it wouldnt be like that. Also everywhere you go you always hear about the ancients of anything always being the strongest. That’s a fact
Just my last point you see when Orochimaru summoned the 1st and 2nd. I highly doubt that their power was really being exposed im sure they were much stronger i dont think Orochimaru had access to all their powers. Beause they would’ve been able to do much more damage for sure but thats just a theory we’ll se whats in store
Yeah GH you are right.They had used a 60% or a 70% of their reall power.The 3rd would be deadif they both used the 100% of their true power.
Jesus Christ i just saw Naruto shippuuden 57-58 and it was arrggghh.Naruto is so week even in the TV series.Kishi you are not fair with Naruto not at all !!!
Sep: Saskue’s dad had the sharingan, he even had six tomoes, he was the head chief of police!
When I first say it I think the english version said something about them not wanting to fight but when I took a second look they didn’t speak. (The hokages)
And I agree that naruto gets owned everywhere he goes
*sigh* i shed a tear for the quality of Shippuuden, i think Studio Pierrot isn’t really doing it’s job, and second, better not goddamn be a f*ckin filler, i’m friggen sick and tired of OCEANS OF FILLER EVERYWHERE!!!!
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GH, you’z right…..i mean Sarutobi beat them, when 60 years old, the first Hokage ever, Shodaime, and another Senju, Nidaime…..i doubt that even if Sarutobi was younger he couldn’t have dfeated both hokages’…..’coz neither did Madara…..
I like fillers that aren’t just jokes, sometimes they make naruto interesting when Kishimoto releases one of these “Fact/Filler” manga. (Not to say it’s bad to have an expanation for once)
maybe so….but technically fillers are like spam to the series…srsly …. they’re pretty much oout of touch with the main target and action, and goes on separate adventure, which also doesn’t lead to anything good, just making us wait……
It are fact
But you know GH i’ve got a question.How Orochimaru managed to take the 4ths body.And the other Hokage’s bodies???
Well Seph I dont think it was their real bodies it was a forbidden jutsu using the real bodies of others like those kids he had recruited for sound it was their bodies but just the first a second only in apperance and thats why they cudn’t be at full power either.
I agree though Sarutobi has been by first the oldest Kage we’ce seen and was a old man when he was fighting Oro so he really didn’t have the strength of his youth. I seems that all ninja have a short and violent lifespan. I wish we had a chance to see the 4th brought back by Orochimaru though.
And yh I agree with GH Hokages are of all different types I think but they are generally rounded ninja usually intelligent (that doesn’t help Naruto much).
Well yes he is…….. dummy ( i won’t say worse things but i can).He only gets serious during the battles and when he is angry.But i must say that he is very inventive person.Remember the fight with Zabuza?Awesome plan.But he needs to grow up and become stronger (And that must be done from you Masashi Kishimoto !!!!!!!) I THINK IT’S TIME TO PAY YOU A VISIT !!!!!
Naruto needs more versital techniques and more leadership expierence, I can see it now, a filler arc with naruto leading a now more advanced team konahamaru (He did lead them back when konahamaru was in the academy.
i agree with darklurker i wanted to see the 4th too
Naruto sucked in the zabuza fight, he was only saved by the kyubii’s chakra
Man no.That would be a same !!!That F***** B***** OROCHIMARU used the 2 kages like puppets.I wouldn’t like to see more kages being used like trush.I didn’t like what Sasori did on the Kazekage either.Now after all these infos maybe the Kages are not saints or angels but they were powerful and intellegint ninjas.Each of them was unique and they don’t deserve to be used like that even if they are not the real bodies.
Mart1 hellooooo Kakashi wasn’t free on his own and i didn’t spoke about he’s battle skills but about his great idea >>>!!!!!
seph i thougt you were evil
Yes but i hate Orochimaru and i respect strong opponents – ninjas. That doesnt mean that iwon’t brutaly torture them or beat their acess.
“How Orochimaru managed to take the 4ths body.And the other Hokage’s bodies???”
I think it’s a ressurection jutsu, i don’t think he needed the Hokage’s bodies to ressurect them, he just somehow, took them from afterlife to the real world …..
anyways, he could’ve probably had the bodies, remember he had acces to Shodaime’s DNA, y’know the Mokuton clones…Yamato….
well, not really clones ….. it’s ughh, Oro kidnapped some kidz, did some Surgery-no-jutsu, on those kids, and they pretty much, died, ‘cept for Yamato, who lived to have teh mokuton, and stuff….
i’m not good at explaining stuff….
yeah maruto does get owned in nearly all his battles he has little leadership skills doesn’t think things out and he’s making improvements to himself way too slow.
he did show some real smarts in a few battle though the time when zabuza caught kakshi in that water prison and he and sasuke did that demon windmill shuriken it was narutos idea and sasuke picked up on it super fast.
plus he’s learned to use his clones to test out an enemy and get that information from them….but I totally agree he gets his ass beat too damn much.
i still dont see that killer intent that a ninja needs to be able to summon he asks like he can let everybody live. Sasuke is gonna be his toughest lesson yet…cause he can’t man the f*** up and deal with the fact that he may never be able to bring back Sasuke even worse he may need to kill him in the next fight or be killed himself.
I agree though so far from what we’ve seen Kishi has given Naruto a raw deal. well we wait and hope for a change.
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I thought that you were talking about the bridge fight, sorry
Hi everyonw hats going on. Its good to know everyone agrees loool. Um yh i think Oro could resseruct the bodies through a summoning with some access to the after life after all he has a knack for satying alive so im assuming because of all his experiments he must have access to some after life jutsu. I think he just evolved the summoning justu to the afterlife
Yes, Orochimaru is well known for his “odd” jutsu’s…..he might’ve perfected the summoning jutsu, to a ressurection jutsu…..thus he summons the souls of the Hokage’s, he must’ve learnt it in some of his quests, ‘coz he wants toknow all jutsu’s
Yeah I agree with that Chaos i guess he kind of looks up to his Sensei who created so many Jutsus and wants to surpass him he kind of lets him get to his head
Whoa! Talk about long comments! kukuku …
Good job on reviewing this week’s chapter, as usual, Bob…
I think Madara’s telling the truth, but he’s just skipping a few bits of the story here and there…
I also saw this picture being discussed at manyou.uu1001.com and though I should show it to you guys: http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f286/gutou7/manga/11-32.jpg
Unfortunately I can’t read chineese, so I don’t know exactly what they’re discussing or what that symbol is, but take a look anyway… It might be important…
uh, J-sama, that’s Senju clan’s symbol….
j sama it looks like the senju symbol
Yeah i think it is the senju symbol but i think we already know that.
Yeah which makes me think that the senju clan maybe the only people who are from the senju clan can access the true power of the seven swords of the mist. As i believe they played a huge role in beating the Madara and the kyuubi
Soooooo Kisame isn’t just a little vilian and he might be important.Maybe Itachi made him his friend so he could have an ifluence on him.
Ah, yes, once more I have embarrased myself because of the lack of decent observation skills… and horrible memory… If only I knew chinese…
So that’s the Senju clan symbol, huh? Well, at least it’s not as lame as the Uchihas’…
Hey its not lame.It’s a loly pop.
well J-sama I was going to point out like everybody has aready but what would be the point of that and besides I think you already got it….the Senju are everywhere …we see all and know all.
Bow before the mighty awesomeness of the Senju. Well enough with the dramatics. Hey Seph if lollipops looked like the Uchiha symbol I wouldn’t buy it….the Senju symbol does look kool.
but hey why isn’t there any sign of the Senju symbol ANYWHERE in Konoha today. I mean clans seem very attached to their sysmbols. So where is the Senju’s, is it saying that they have totally disappeared…..I find that hard to believe they were a badass clan I dont think they’d just disappear like that so where are the Senju.
I know we been guessing that Minato and therefore Naruto where realted to Senju somehow but all we really know is that Tsunade is the last living Senju decendant we know of, where the heck are the rest…..ok I say enough now….DL out.
I just had a thought, if naruto is a senju then mabey jariya’s message will send him through out the village looking for seceret senju sighn’s that reveal his kekkai genkai! (This is contrary to my oppinion, but I thought I’de share)
maybe the senju changed the symbol to the leaf village symbol (the one on the head protector) to secretly show that there in charge and not the uchiha
Hey thats an interesting point but i dont think so
herotom182, the leaf village symbol was made in order of the agreement of the senju and Uchiha Clan so thats why i doubt so. Also the 2nd hokage was wearing it on that helmet thing he is wearing while the 1st hokage still has the senju clan symbol so i highly doubt so
By the waythe 2nd is the 1st Hokage’s brother and he doesn’t use the the earth/water jutsus. Just water as far as we have seen so to be part of the senju clan you dont have to necessarily have to have that power or ability so its varied. Like i said people from the senju clan may have many kind of abilities.
true DL, something’s fishy, we’ve never seen the Senju symbol before, i mean not even in Konoha….something’s fishy….
and speaking of fishy…… i wonder if Kisame may know more than we think he does….
mart1 and herotom182 good point both though unlikely but good food for thought.
well GH i think chakra types are like birth traits some kids get them and some kids don’t. So family members get the kekkei genkei but not all have it mature.
I dont know if I did a good job of explaining that. Plus the power of the seconds water element sorta made up for not having earth he could perform them in the driest desert….you’d never die of thirst with him. Way cool.
“and speaking of fishy…… i wonder if Kisame may know more than we think he does” – Chaos
He was Itachi’s partner for a very long time and like GH said in his blog Kisame and Itachi seemed to get along better than most Akutsuki pairs.
Maybe Itachi “came out” to him, or the other way round……nah I’m just joking there. But it is a possibility that they shared key information.
Itachi may know about the secret of the sword and so must Kisame, so I think that sharkboy knows more than we think.
mart1 back to your point just now. Its a good one I’m thinking about it more and it seems plausible. When Naruto was in the academy and needed to pass clone jutsu to graduate that sensei (iforget his name) told him of the secret scroll and that it was another way to pass and become a genin. It was this scroll that taught Naruto the shadow clone jutsu a otherwise forbidden technique.
With that little trip down memory lane it is also possible that there are other secret locations where Minato would have hidden information for his young son to read when it was time or when he came of age. So i think you point is way valid….well just have to see what Kishi has up his sleeves.
well, yea i suspected he does….but not exactly how much info he does have…..
By the way while I’m on the point and its fresh in my mind, your theory could also be applied to that toad that Jariya left to Naruto’s care before he fought Pein. you know the Scroll Frog.
Maybe Jairiya was a historian for the senju and thats where the link will be found when Naruto read that frog or the frog tells naruto the whole story of his lineage which ever one. Remember the frog told Jairiya its not good to put the “key” beside the “safe” I’m paraphrasing there so dont kill me: so the frog has to be meant for something drastic for Naruto.
Not only how much does he know Chaos but how did he get his hands on the sword in the first place.
Is it that he was arounf at the time the first fought Madara? (Highly doubt that even though sharks live pretty long)
Was it passed down to him trough his family? Or my personal favorite he stole the damn thing, because he heard it was of great value and the warrior that had it would gain great powers?
I think Kisame might know Itachi’s reason for leaving Konoha and his reason for killing the clan. Madara doesn’t know that Kisame knows and Kishi hasn’t revealed that Itachi told Kisame anything …… but I have a nodging feeling Kisame knows the truth of Itachi too.
That would mean that Kisame holds a strong part of the Madara vs Konoha equation: so for those not keeping track here it is in Math for you (sorry if Math’s not your thing)
FT? = (Madara truth + Konoha truth) + Whatever Kisame might know ; where FT = full truth
i think the senju clan did’nt have any kekkai genkai
really but Hashirama was senju and he had one!
i think sasuke can figure out that Kisame might know the truth about itachi. he is one smart kid. besides from what i can tell madara doesn’t look too smart. he got burnt by sakuke with the flames of the Amaterasu. i don’t think sakuke will believe a word of it. at least i hope so.
the other thing i wanted to say is about naruto. as a main character he should be strong but he is always getting his ass wooped. before the fight with itachi, sasuke was already alot stronger than naruto becuase from what i can remember since naruto got wind Rasengan he hasn’t done any training and he is as strong as he was then.
but now sakuke has got Mangekyo Sharingan with all the techniques that come with it. naruto doesn’t stand a chance.
“besides from what i can tell madara doesn’t look too smart. he got burnt by sakuke with the flames of the Amaterasu.”
lol, not even the most cunning of masterminds can know that, he was surprised to learn that Itachi planted his MS into Sasuke’s eyes, and it seems to activate when it sees Madara’s Sharingan
Yh well X we all agress that Naruto is to damn weak and should be stronger but we all wait and hope for that day.
the other point is that Sasuke maybe smart but he’s also very gullible it wont take much to convince him….we haven’t seen him think about all the parts of a story in any serous way, hes impulsive as Naruto is.
I hope he doesn’t believe MAdara but I really believe he will believe him.
I always believed that Kisame-san was more important.Kisame-san yeeahhh.Kisame-san is a reall friend of Itachi-san.Kisame-san is one of the seven swordmen of the mist.And from our info it seems that they had an important role int the story.So Itachi-san needs Kisame-san and they both know each others secrets.Kisame-san knows that Itachi-san’s problems and past and he loves and respects him.I think that Kisame -san had agreed to help Itachi-san with his plans.I say this because he follows Itachi-san’s comand and always care about him.And Itachi-san appriciates Kisame’s-san help and for him Kisame is his best friend.I think that Kisame may die while trying to protect Itachi-san (if he’s alive) IIItttachii-saannn NOOOOO.Or while protecting Sasuke with Itachi’s-san orders.”Itachi san i did it!” but maybe he ll die as a vilian keeping Itachi’s san secret in his grave.
“he was surprised to learn that Itachi planted his MS into Sasuke’s eyes, and it seems to activate when it sees Madara’s Sharingan”
that shows that itachi is by far the smartest ninja even in death he plots to kill his enemies
I agree totally Seph
DL WE DON’T KNOW IF ITACHI SAN IS DEAD !!!!!
WWOOOOWWWWW ITACHI -SAN IS THE BEST.AND YES THAT TRICK WITH THE PLANTED MS WAS VERY CLEVER IF THE OPPONENT WASN’T MADARA IT WOULD HAVE KILLED HIM.
DL it’s weird you mention the scroll of sealing because as I was falling asleep last night I was thinking that mabey that scroll is similar to the uchiha scroll that reviels how to control the kyubii and other MS secerets. (This would make the scroll of sealing the one Harishima is using to fight Madra) or the “Key” could also be the scroll used in the 1st/Madra fight
yh mart it sorta hit me when i read what you said about the shrine. There must be dozens of secret technique srolls so maybe the frog is one too or a key to something
That mean Konoha is a living treasure chest. Man there are things evrywhere init. (took so long for this to load up. Yeah i think Itachi may still be alive.
this sucks… now after hearing this sasuke might never go back to the leaf village. will he trust madra with what he’s saying and turn against naruto and the others? i just hope kishi knows what he’s doing. i dont want sasuke to become even more of an antagonist than he already is.
lol seph i dont think Kisame is like that. hes more serious than that. him and itachi were good friends but not enough to “NOOOOO ITACHI!!!” kinda thing. i think that when Kisame finds out about itachi he will have a moment of silence like itachi did when he herd that sasuke died in battle against deidara and it started to rain
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