Naruto Manga chapter 381 - His True Identity

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December 7th, 2007 · 332 Comments

Post Author: Bob

This chapter continues with the Jiraiya vs. the Six Peins battle but starts off already part ways in to the fighting. Jiraiya lies wounded in a sanctuary/dimension he created. The body of Pein which resembles Deidara has injured him with the black belt weâ€™ve glimpsed at earlier. However, this Pein has fallen into Jiraiyaâ€™s â€œbarrier trapâ€ in the process of carrying out his attack and has been cut in half - likely when Jiraiya closed the barrier to his dimension. The black belt has a secondary effect of messing up Jiraiyaâ€™s chakra moulding ability (possibly an effect of the Rinnegan) and Pa toad has to remove it for Jiraiya. Also note that when Pa moves to reach the belt, he elongates his body and it looks like he (and Ma) could be melded into Jiraiyaâ€™s body and not just perched on his shoulders a previously thought.

Jiraiya thinks back to when Nagato asked him how he can grow up and after comparing it to when Pein said that other peoplesâ€™ pain helped him grow up, he admits that the person in front of him must be Nagato. But then the bodyâ€™s head protector falls off, revealing a deep scar on the forehead, and Jiraiya sudden realizes that he ha fought this person before. After being toad the Toad Sageâ€™s prophecy, Jiraiya began travelling the world as it was foretold. But during the journey he was ambushed by a member of the Fuuma Clan. Jiraiya managed to injure the shinobi with a cut to his forehead - that shinobi is the one and same as the body in front him right now.

Jiraiya thinks back to the prophecy and believes he must try to figure out who Pein really is. Knowing that his chances of survival are pretty low if he goes back through the barrier, he asks Ma and Pa toad to return home. Of course, the toads think thatâ€™s a very bad idea especially with Jiraiya already badly injured. But Jiraiya is determined because he believes this must be the tough decision he as meant to make. He asks that the severed body of Peinâ€™s to be brought back to Tsunade for study, but Pa insists that only Ma go and for himself to remain behind to backup Jiraiya.

Jiraiya and Pa exit their barrier dimension from another weird looking toad. Note that the markings on Jiraiyaâ€™s face have again gone down a level to what they looked like near the beginning of this encounter with Pein - Jiraiya is continuously getting weaker. A sneak shuriken attack is easily dodged and the other Pein bodies are immediately alerted to Jiraiyaâ€™s presence. Jiraiya takes a closer look at all the faces of his enemies again and realizes that they are all people they have met before. Everything suddenly begin to come together and Jiraiya finally figures out Peinâ€™s true identity. But before he can make a move, one of the Peins attacks him by emerging from below the waterâ€™s surface. Jiraiya spits out blood as his throat is being crushed. At that same moment, the other four remaining Peins plough into Jiraiya each with their black belt weapons aimed at his back.

Oh great, another really suspenseful cliffhanger. Is Jiraiya dead? What is the true identity of Pein? Who were these other ninjas that Jiraiya has met in his past and how did they become Peinâ€™s bodies? I also wish theyâ€™d showed us the beginning of the battle between Jiraiya and the Six Peins. Though I guess this kind of picture narrative does create some more tension and leaves it to our imagination as to what happened after the end of last chapter.

We also hear of the Fuuma Clan again, just who are they? I know a Fuuma clan appears in the Naruto anime, but that was filler material and I donâ€™t consider it to be canon. Looking at the six faces Jiraiya matched to Peinâ€™s bodies, most appear to hail from different villages. The skinny taijutsu guyâ€™s from Takigakure: Hidden Village in the Waterfall, the chiselled chin guy could possibly be from Sand because of that type of cloak collar shown (but this is conjecture only), the fat guyâ€™s from Grass, the guy with no neck - I have no idea, the Deidara lookalike was said to be from Fuuma clan, and Yahiko was from Rain. The only link between them seems to be that they met Jiraiya sometime in his past. And based on the time difference (several years) between Jiraiyaâ€™s meeting with the Deidara guy and when he met Yahiko, all these characters are spread out through time and probably never met each other before. Obviously, someone else is pulling the strings here but why bring these six strangers together just because they met Jiraiya before?
My prediction for the next scene in this fight is that Pa toad would block the attacks on Jiraiya but likely sacrifices himself to do it. Jiraiya then would have two courses of action: 1) go berserk and attempt to take down as many Peins with him as possible using a suicidal jutsu 2) realizes he needs to survive to at least get the true identity of Pein out and manages to send off a messenger; whether he survives after this is still hard to say mainly because I donâ€™t what poor Jiraiya to die.

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332 responses so far ↓

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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 5:45 pm

Why does the old dude have girly lashes? ._.
Could Pein have felt abandoned when Jiraiya left and went around harvesting all of Jiraiya’s victims. Or Yahiko and the others couldhave found out that Jiraiya was one of the warring Sannins and gotten really pissed about it. o-o
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 5:47 pm

NO IM SECOND!!!!!!!!!
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 5:50 pm

Woo! Victory! Love the avatar, by the way! ^_^
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 5:54 pm

sorry for my laungauge GOD DAMMIT!!! IM SECOND!!!!! also im wondering how could pein transfer him self to (possibly) dead ninja? i noticed, every pein is from a different village. i cant wait till the next chapter!
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 5:55 pm

What’s wrong with you guys! I just made this post ten minutes ago! LoL
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rasengan or chidori?? (Newbie)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 5:55 pm

this is getting so good!!!!
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 5:58 pm

oh thanks! i like it my avatar alot. the guy with the evil smile whats up with his neck? and what jutsu was that, that the peins used against jariaya?
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:00 pm

whats wrong bob? its a little compition who gets the first comment.
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defbass (Newbie)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:11 pm

So it turns out that there is more to Jiraiya’s globe trotting than peeping on girls and writing his books!

I agree, there’s too much coincidence that Jiraiya has previously met all 6 Pein bodies. Someone has set this up. Maybe Mandara is the one who gave those bodies to Nagato so he could do his soul transfer into them? If the TOM theory is right, that could explain why Pein takes orders from TOM; as payback for the bodies.
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Nandou (Rookie)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:16 pm

This chapter was AMAZING, poor old j-sama =(

I hope he survives at least to say what is pein’s true identity… maybe it isn’t nagato, then why does he have the rin’negan, or what happened to nagato?

I hate cliffhangers =’(
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:19 pm

“Whatâ€™s wrong with you guys! I just made this post ten minutes ago! LoL” It’s like FOOD! Can’t live without it. ;D Is it a bad thing?
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kiba (Newbie)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:20 pm

the fuuma clan is from the episodes where jariaya,naruto and sakura went to orchimarus hideout to find sasuke
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:23 pm

so in the anime why didnt they talk about the rinnegan?
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:30 pm

no I think that was just a coincidence, the producers just made up a name. At the time, I doubt Kishi even revealed his plans for the manga up to this point.
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elerium (Genin)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:31 pm

yo,why would toad sacrifice and block the attacks? I bet Jiraiya takes the attacks, tells who he thinks Pein is and then the toad is unsummoned to go back to Tsunade. Its tricky with Pein bodies - maybe they would be different for different opponent? Maybe Rinnegan brings up whatever is in opponents mind and materializes into a body? I bet its a wicked way Pein sees everything - he is even fighting with people who had ben injured and felt pain by the opponent, in this case J-sama.
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:33 pm

so r u trying to say that the six piens are trying to kill jariaya just like he did to them?
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:38 pm

that’s a good theory elerium. But I don’t know about Yahiko’s case. I doubt Jiraiya ever physically caused pain to him. So it have been emotional pain from seeing Jiraiya leave them. But it’s not like Jiraiya just suddenly abandoned them one night. He trained them for Three years and said his farewells too. Yahiko must have know Jiraiya wasn’t gonna hold his hand for the rest of his life right?
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:39 pm

Nowhere did it say Jiraiya killed any of them, certainly he didn’t kill Yahiko.
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elerium (Genin)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:43 pm

well, the most i could assume is that this is a way Pein treats his enemies - shapes them in a form resembling people his enemies hurt in the past. But who knows - one of the bodies was the same to everyone. and he did mention that he has a body for each different task.. it could also be, as someone said, that yahiko or nagato went back through the steps of J-sama and found all the people relating to him - however, Pein didn’t remember ho J-sama was when he confronted him several chapters ago - so if everything is a planned-out set up, it would be very strange for Pein not to recognize a person this set up is dedicated to.. So i guess its happening naturally to him…
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:47 pm

im just saying maybe because it makes me wonder when jariaya said iv met them before? what happened when he met them?
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somersaultclouds (Rookie)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:47 pm

hey am back! it’s been a Loooooooong time since my last comment.

just a crazy wild guess…maybe Yahiko is Jiraiya’s LOVE CHILD! haha! and when Yahiko found out about Jiraiya being his father, he went far enough to stalk on Jiraiya. hahaah!

Hey Mr. Elerium…nice idea, maybe Pein can summon bodies of the hardest opponents Jiraiya fought(or of whom Jiraiya is afraid to fight off)?

yup, i second Ms. Nef…”It’s like food..can’t live without it.” hehee…and besides, just like what I’ve said Mr. Bob…I’m your number 1 fan! keep it up!

I’ll be back in the holidays, and read what I’ve missed between….three more school paper to finish….awww gawwwd.

Thanks!
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:50 pm

does anybody know what type of jutsus the six peins have?
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:52 pm

Going back and finding (and maybe killing) all these people must have taken a lot of time - all of it just to defeat Jiraiya? What could have warped Nagato so much to make him hate Jiraiya this much?
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elerium (Genin)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:53 pm

yeah bob, you’re probably right…
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elerium (Genin)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:55 pm

bob - this is exactly my problem - he didn’t do this for Jiraiya, or at least it seems so. He was doing his plan to capture the beasts and thats it.. so its either someone else gave him the bodies or they are shaped as i mentioned before.. hell knows at this point..
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 6:57 pm

Hey, welcome back somersault Forget your papers, just copy and paste some of the blog entries here and make up appropriate titles - that’s all the teachers ever read anyways

“maybe Pein can summon bodies of the hardest opponents Jiraiya fought(or of whom Jiraiya is afraid to fight off)?”
Yeah, definitely more plausible, perhaps another Rinnegan ability?
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 7:00 pm

“yeah bob, youâ€™re probably right”

Lol, don’t ever say I’m right. My bullsh*ting is about as “right” as anybody else’s, hehe. My spelling is just a little better, maybe.
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 7:02 pm

if your saying that bob, how did pein know who he fought in the past? or maybe pein(nagato) was there to witness the fight.
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 7:03 pm

“so its either someone else gave him the bodies or they are shaped as i mentioned before.”

definitely more plausible given that Pein already has demonstrated his shapeshift ability.

“does anybody know what type of jutsus the six peins have?”
Your guess is as good as mine, but maybe it can be guessed based on the village they came from. Like the fat guy from grass, being able to absorb and meld things seems to be a common theme for ppl from that village.
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 7:09 pm

“maybe pein(nagato) was there to witness the fight”

Nagato couldn’t have. In that flash back pic, Jiraiya looked like he did when he first met the Toad Sage, Nagato must have been either a baby or wasn’t even born at the time.

But another possibility could be that Nagato is really older than he appears.. even when he first met Jiraiya. Who knows what abilities the Rinnegan has.
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The Unknown (Newbie)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 7:11 pm

In the beginning, the six Peins’ where in those photos and now Jiraiya is included in this photo. What if he will be turned into to the next Pein? Apparently these other fighters who became Pein where great fighters from there villages. Just like Kakuzu would take the hearts of warriors when he would lose one, Pein might replace Jiraiya with the other Pein. Just a thought.

Hopefully, Jiraiya is ok but it seems in most movies the teacher dies and the student takes revenge.
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elerium (Genin)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 7:14 pm

shit it would be damn sad to see naruto fighting with pein and one of peins being Jiraiya. half of that country would go in fox flames..
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 7:17 pm

thats just so wierd that jariaya meets those ninja again. pein is so mysterious. another way that pein knows about these other mysterious ninja is that the rinnegan has a power that he goes into jariayas mind and torture him the way (possibly) he killed them.
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 7:18 pm

that would be such a good twist! I don’t know what Naruto would do if he had to “kill” his sensei.
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 7:19 pm

hey the unknown, that is a good therie pein might kill jariaya and take his body in replace of the (deidara) pein.
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The Unknown (Newbie)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 7:23 pm

I also think Tsunade may join this fight very soon. She told Jiraiya that if their is a problem send a frog to me and I will come. Knowing Jiraiya would be in life or death, Tsunade would use them to teleport to join this fight. Just a thought
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The Unknown (Newbie)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 7:28 pm

All of the sudden they are using their belts. Besides loss of controled chakara, that may be away to help with the transfer or bind him to complete the transfer. Pein also seems to recieve the abilities and they only use their main talent in battle. If you notice, they don’t use elemental jutsus’, it may be because these are blooline or forbidden jutsu created by the the “previous tenants” of their bodies.
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 7:32 pm

tsunade might get so mad and unleash her dangerous side but then she might not be strong enough and die too then naruto might get 6 tails!
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Tee (Newbie)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 8:29 pm

I think that is the last of what we will see of jiraiya for now everyone will think he’s dead but really either be imprisoned by pain or made one of pains bodies or just killed. Even though i don’t want him to die i wish they go back to naruto and sasuke.
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Gohosku (Chunin Squad Leader)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 8:31 pm

COME ON JIRAIYA YOU CAN DO IT ADD A LOT OF POWER TO IT!!! .. sorry that used to help us in softball back in elementary school
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 8:42 pm

??? that was random. somebodyCOMMENT! ITS BEEN LIKE AN HOUR ONLY TWO COMMENTS??!!
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hanamichi (Newbie)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 8:56 pm

damn..i hope jiraiya stays alive..he still has so many things to teach to nartuo..i hope tsunade knows some kind of time/space jutsu so that she can teleport hereelf to where jiraiya is right now and heal him..
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Nandou (Rookie)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 9:28 pm

A while ago i said that tsunade might join this fight and get killed as well, and everybody discarded my theory… now as the story continues i get more(?) convinced (i don’t know if i spelled this right xD, english is not my mother language) that what i was right. I don’t think tsunade could be stay in konoha doing nothing if ma toad tells her what’s happening.
And if pein can beat jiraiya, tsunade should be a piece o’ cake
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 9:38 pm

hey nanduo it might happen but tsunade is so far away! from the rain village! itll take so long to get there!
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Nandou (Rookie)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 9:44 pm

that’s actually the flaw in my theory xD
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 9:51 pm

i wonder who is going to win sasuke or itachi? hey nanduo how do you make the smily face on your comment?
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Gohosku (Chunin Squad Leader)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 10:01 pm

ooo teacher teacher i have a question!!! so have we decided jiraiya’s decision was to stay and fight the good fight? cause this all important decision he was to make still leaves me uneasy.
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 10:10 pm

i dont get your question. r u talking about jaraiyas descision?
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Gohosku (Chunin Squad Leader)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 10:14 pm

yes his descision. was it him staying there and fighting?
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The Unknown (Newbie)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 10:41 pm

I dont believe the fight will last long. Tobi made a comment “and ponders whether Sasuke will remain to crawl like a snake on ground or soar to the sky like a hawk.” I think Itachi will give reason to why he did what he did. He will probaly share his secrets of the new sharringan with Sasuke and want to join forces(along with Tobi).
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 10:47 pm

Itachi is definitely stronger of the two. His genjutsu, ninjutsu and probably taijutsu all surpass Sasuke’s. But Itachi isn’t there to fight.

I wonder if they can revive the guy who was split in half, well I guess there wouldn’t be much of a point as he would just writher on the ground while screaming in agony anyways. You know.. there really wasn’t much of a point of Jiraiya going out there and confronting the Peins, I mean all he did was look at them and then realized something. I know he was running low on chakra but surely, he could have created a shadow clone to see all of their faces.
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 11:35 pm

NOOOO!! I’m 52nd??! I’m so ashamed!
Sensei is in serious trouble. Vixtory is abolutely out of the question now, but he’s awsome so he’ll survive.
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 11:38 pm

WOW! 53 comments in less than 6 hours! We be bustin’ heads!
I’m wondering about Jiraiya’s book. I don’t think the book he’s supposed to write is a porn book.
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 11:38 pm

lol, I know, and he had plenty of time to look at their faces when Pein was blabbing away. But isn’t this way more heroic? Kishi must intend for Jiraiya to go out with a bang.
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 11:42 pm

52nd J-sama? -__- Hang your head in shame.
Anyways you think that big scroll he carries around all the time is used to record stuff for his book?
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 11:45 pm

Maybe. But I think it’s rather a frog-summoning scroll. (very ashamed)
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 11:51 pm

True, but it seems a bit oversized for just toad summons. Tenten carries a similar sized scroll in part II for weapon summons, but it makes sense because she uses a bazillion of them in a fight. I’m sure Jiraiya has a lot summons, but it can’t be that many.
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Dec 7, 2007 at 11:53 pm

Don’t forget it’s also a contract for new “recruits”.
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noname (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 12:56 am

i wonder what’s ganna happen between itachi and sasuke
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naruto kyuubi (Chunin)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 1:42 am

i hope that jiraya survives and that sasuke kil itachi and then help naruto and the others to kil tom but i don’t think that wil happen
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Lovething (Rookie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 1:46 am

Wow, that was one of the best episodes I’ve read!! I agree with elerium’s theory - the jutsu Pein is using somehow shows people you’ve hurt in the past. Maybe you’re fighting their pain.

Did Nagato take Jiraiya literally when he said “knowing what it feels like to be hurt is exactly why we try to be kind to others”, and somehow merge himself into all the pain that’s ever been felt?

If this is true, he might be acting like some sort of god of vengeance… giving back all the pain you’ve caused to others.
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naruto kyuubi (Chunin)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 1:49 am

man i am always one of the latest
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Lovething (Rookie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 1:59 am

So, we know Ma and Pa can teleport (or move very quickly). Does that mean Tsunade can save Jiraiya in time? Would she even be able to fight Pein if he transformed into Dan and Nawaki?

Jiraiya needs to survive to tell Konoha what he knows about Pein, otherwise Naruto and the gang will be at the same disadvantage Jiraiya had a few mangas ago.

If Pa gets Jiraiya back to Konoha, I’m sure Tsunade can help him. His wounds are serious, but probably nothing she hasn’t healed before.

I’m a bit suspicious of those belt things. What does it mean to be it by 5 of them at a time? I hope Jiraiya was using his hair shield jutsu.
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Lovething (Rookie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 2:04 am

Hey - I’ve just had a thought. I think the only person who can defeat Pein is someone who has defeated their own personal pain in the past.

Naruto suffered a lot of pain in his childhood, and unlike almost everyone, he turned that pain into kindness, and has helped so many overcome their own pain.

I think he’s the only one who can defeat Pein.
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Shino Aburame ()
// Dec 8, 2007 at 2:46 am

Wow! Great chapter! This chapter hints at Pein not being Nagato… This would mean that someone defeated Nagato and Yahiko and took the Rinnegen and Yakhiko’s body and became friends with Konnan? That doesn’t seem likely to me.

I don’t think that Pein summoned Jiraiya’s enemies or else Jiraiya would have recognized them sooner. I think that Jiraiya knows these ninja because they were all notable ninja and they were known throughout the world of Shinobi. This would mean that Pein is so awesome that he was able to defeat all of them and take control of their bodies.

It would be such a weird twist if he takes Jiraiya’s body and gives it the Rinnegan! That might mean that he might be able to be brought back to life! Wow there has never been this many comments on the first day before!
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Shino Aburame ()
// Dec 8, 2007 at 3:01 am

Oh Yeah… and I also think that Tsunade will come right away. I think that she is secretly in love with Jiraiya and she will tell her subordinates to analyze the bodies while she goes back and helps Jiraiya. Who ever said that Tsunade isn’t as powerful as Jiraiya is wrong. Remember, she almost killed him and she is HOKAGE!!! Maybe she will show her secret jutsu while fighting Pein! But I think that she will just go and rescue Jiraiya and run back and heal his wounds.
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B4ttlehunter (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 3:50 am

I like all the theories, but if Pein/TOM whomever is Bringing these guys back to life, isnt it possible they could use jiraiya’s body when hes dead? just like pein is doing to all the other guys? Just like Orochimaru wants sasuke’s maybe pein wants Jiraiya’s but for alternate means of course =]

Also amazing chapters, im new to commenting on stuffm but im glad to see there so many interested fans (y)
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B4ttlehunter (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 3:50 am

Sorry for all the mistakes by the way =]
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naruto-kun J sama (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 4:06 am

o my this is getting really ulgy
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 6:09 am

YEAH! Awsome banner! I love you, Bob! Deffinately naughty!
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elerium (Genin)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 6:34 am

Lovething- great. That must have been your womens intuition :). I love your theory about this pain Naruto felt. It is specifically emphasized several times in the manga and anime that Naruto is different from the others because he defeated his pain. Doesn’t matter if it is true that Pein shapes his bodies to resemble people from the past or not - this theory that Naruto is the only one Pein wont be so strong against is fantastic.
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Siskin (A*#1)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 7:29 am

I think Pein was trying to enter Jiraiya’s mind when he stuck him with the belt.
Also… I don’t think he’d want Jiraiya considering the guy only has one arm and Kakuzu isn’t around to stitch people back together.

Where’s Konan while all this is happening? I bet she stole the rinnengan from them and killed the boys and now she’s taking her revenge

ALso, Pein recognized Jiraiya as his teacher, so he must either be Yahiko, Nagato, Konan or another former student.
The body of Yahiko must have some significance because he’s still wearing the necklace. Kishi shows everyones necks except for guy smiley.
The smiley Pein bothers me because he looks like a villian from Dragon Ball z plus he was really creapy looking as a person as well. As pein, he looks more normal and I think he’s one of the hardest to recornize besides old chiseled guy pein.

If these folks were jiraiya’s greatest opponents I would bet Orochimaru would be amongst them. Pein wasn’t anticipating running into Jiraiya so I doubt that the significance of the bodies was people he hurt. Or else Jiraiya may be fighting of a plethora of girls!
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Siskin (A*#1)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 7:32 am

I think it will take a Sasuke Naruto tag team to defeat pein. Because if naruto is helping defend someone he’ll fight to his true potential kinda like when him and sasuke fought Haku towards the beginning of the manga.
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 7:41 am

“Or else Jiraiya may be fighting of a plethora of girls!” That would’ve been even more horrible! Pein may be evil, but he’s not that evil.
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 8:04 am

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha lol naughty or nice that is so cool. hey siskin, i really dont think that naruto and sasuke will team together because when naruto finally found sasuke, sasuke tryed to kill naruto so why would he want to work with him. and the valley of the end battle sasuke alsotryed to kill him. but maybe itachi might tell sasuke about another way to get the mangekyou sharingan. or itachi might not and sasuke still might use the old way of getting the mangekyou sharingan. and pein is so gunna kill jariaya im sorry but there is no way he can win.
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Sorinax (Chunin)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 8:05 am

i would like that naruto after this reunions, fightswith sasuke and finally kill him:)))
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 8:13 am

itl be a tough fight becuase if sasuke gets the mangekyou.
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Siskin (A*#1)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 8:16 am

I think Pein considers himself a benevolent god.
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Siskin (A*#1)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 8:20 am

naruto is at a complete disadvantage about that… and Sasuke really cares about naruto but he’s just trying to let go of his emotions… notice the team 7 replacements?
Naruto has given up trying to surpass sasuke… he’s trying to become good enough for sasuke to recognize and value him.
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 8:30 am

so do you think if sasuke kills itachi sasuke will get the mangekyou sharingan. ok if sasuke and naruto become friends again they will fight but not like the i really hate you fight?
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 8:38 am

Hey, you guys like my new avatar? It’s part of my new campaign - “Let’s make fun of Gaara!”
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punk (Rookie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 8:43 am

Dam! This is getting o_O
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Siskin (A*#1)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 8:43 am

eh… I think Sasuke has the MS. Because Naruto might as well be dead to him and that’s what he proved when he went to actually kill him when they were reunited.
And if the fought everything is against naruto… he has no ninetails… he wind element actually makes sasuke stronger… sasuke can just put him in a trance or something.
I don’t see that happening, naruto and sasuke having a good ol’time in a play fight.

Ok… but the final battle will be
naruto and sasuke vs. Pein and Tobi…
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punk (Rookie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 8:44 am

crazy
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 8:44 am

“I think Pein considers himself a benevolent god.” That’s kinda’ iffy, since he seems to know that people won’t be all that grateful for having the world destroyed. He’s doing that “I gotta’ do it for their own good” kinda’ thing. . .
And the process of getting the Mangekyou is still very vague. Kakashi has it, but he didn’t KILL Obito. Possibly there’s a differen’t “path(s)” to achieving the Mangekyou?
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Nandou (Rookie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 8:50 am

About tsunade being as strong as jiraiya… i really don’t think so.
Yes, she almost killed him, but he was peeking at her so he probably didn’t do too much to defend himself
Yes, she is hokage, but jiraiya rejected the offer first, so….

Btw, AWESOME header
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 9:00 am

E.R nefarious, kakashi made his own ms. like itachi he has the original.
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sharingan leader (Anti-Rebellion Dictator)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 9:03 am

jariaya is so much stronger than tsunade but whats gunna happen with pein how did he get all those bodies?
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B4ttlehunter (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 9:22 am

The bodies came out of some sort of “tank” similar to a cryogenic (however you spell it) freezing thing. There are alternate means of getting the MS, but sasuke may be holding out on us? and like the demon fox says He hasnt seen eyes like that since uchiha madara.. so his eyes are powerful anyway, Not saying they are in comparison to the MS.

The Body’s pein summoned arnt like a ressurection technique, similar to Orochimaru’s becuase they have the piercings, but they dont have their own self-concious minds either Pein does.

Thanks =]
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B4ttlehunter (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 9:26 am

Why did i say summoned lol… the bodies he has
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Sannin Jiraiya (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 9:36 am

i like the idea that maybe its all a type of genjutsu he may be figting say, 5 shadow clones each only using 1 ability but what he see’s are people he has hurt in some way and their pain….but its a weak theory and there are some points that dont make sense
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sharingan (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 9:59 am

i think it might be kona who is doing this
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sharingan (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 10:00 am

the paper girl
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sharingan (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 10:12 am

i think it has to be Konan because i mean while j man walked away from the dead bodys Konan COULD HAVE DID SOMETHING
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Fugakure (Rookie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 10:16 am

that picture of the guy that jiraiya gave the head wound to…
what is behind him? does he have a big shuriken on his back like mizuki?
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Fugakure (Rookie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 10:19 am

about tsunade being as strong as jiraiya..
tsunade is only physically stronger than jiraiya.
jiraiya’s ninjutsu are way beyond that of tsunade.
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Fugakure (Rookie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 10:21 am

i think that the sage of the six paths was evil
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ShikamaruIsTheMan (Rebel Shinobi Leader)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 12:19 pm

It was mentioned earlier that SAsuke and Naruto fighting together only enhances Sasuke’s abilities, such as the wind/fire combination. But really, Naruto would get the most out of them teaming up since Sasuke can control the Kyuubi from within Naruto. So, in theory (at least in my head), if they were fighting together Naruto could release all the Kyuubi’s chakra within him and Sasuke could supress the Kyuubi’s “personality” (i don’t know what to call it when Naruto goes past two or three tails and loses contiousness). I figure Sasuke can do that not only from when he talked with the Kyuubi in Naruto’s head but also when he controled the “Snake King” summon to survive Diedera’s final attack.

On another note, Lovething, I gotta give you credit for coming up with the Naruto vs. Nagato Pain thing. After i read that I started thinking about it and in the entire Narutoverse, Naruto is really the only character to go through an enormous amount of emotional trauma and not be consumed by hate for everyone, like Nagato.

Also, in the first flashback when Jiriaya first saw Nagato and the Rinnegan he said that it was the Fuuma clan’s eye bloodline ability. And now he tells us that the Pein who stabbed him with the belt is also from the Fuuma Clan… Maybe all of Pein’s bodies are fellow Fuuma Clan members. I personally think we are overthinking the fact that Pein has bodies of people Jiriaya has met before.
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ShikamaruIsTheMan (Rebel Shinobi Leader)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 12:23 pm

Oh yeah, maybe the “Sand Village Pein” is Gaara’s father. If I remember correctly he was killed by Orochimaru before the Chunin exams.
Also he really resembles Jugo as well, like splitting image.

After this week, when all my finals are done, I think I am going to write a blog about the 6 Peins and go through the manga to try and find characters from the same village/or look similar to try and get some hints to who these people are.

Also, if they are people that Pein has defeated before and Jiraiya has met then one of them most probably if the guy who gave the Sannin their title, I forget his name.
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rikajara (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 12:26 pm

i think that tobi is obito. I mean, think about it. He has a right eye hole, his hair is way too short to be like uchiha madara’s, ad pay attention to his personality. And in chapter 363, In japanese, Tobi isn’t saying, “I am Uchiha Madara,” he’s actually saying, “This is the power of Uchiha Madara.” I think that Masashi Kishimoto put this out to fool us. And, one more thing, look at the lettering. tObi-toBi-tobI-Tobi-tObi=Obito. That would be kool if Kakashi got to see his old teammate again, lol.
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rikajara (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 12:28 pm

Can’t wait till chapter 382 comes out!!
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Gohosku (Chunin Squad Leader)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 12:31 pm

the picture scares me with the 5 of them and then jiraiya.. i would hate to see him become an evil zombie
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rikajara (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 1:01 pm

testing
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rikajara (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 1:02 pm

damnit!
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rikajara (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 1:03 pm

testing again…
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rikajara (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 1:04 pm

one more time…
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Sannin Jiraiya (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 1:59 pm

shikimaru its hanzou i think =]
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 4:16 pm

Yeah. Honzou was the guy that summoned Salamanders and gave J-dude’s unit their title as Sannins. ^-^
Question: Would the sage of the six paths be older than the Kyuubi or the other way around? The Sage’s animal-ish ears makes me think that he(/she?) could have been the mixed spawn of the kyuubi.
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scrubby (Team Shannaro!!)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 4:23 pm

I very seriously dout that pein is there fighting Jaraiya but using dead ninjas to fight for him and he’s sitting somewhere else controling them like puppets to do his dirty work. Example was when Pein told kisame that he better be glad that he show him and Itachi how to do a dead soul transfer jutsu that allows the user to give the dead person any percentage of there chakra to judge how strong they was going to be, but both Itachi and Kisame only used 30% when fighting the leaf village ninja’s on there way save Gaara.
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scrubby (Team Shannaro!!)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 4:26 pm

Pein could be giving the dead ninja’s 100% each with him using some of the chakra from the bijuu’s that’s already captured. what do u think about that?
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noname (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 4:57 pm

but i don’t think pain is strong enough to use the chakra from the bijuu
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noname (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 4:58 pm

remmeber? didn’t they say that after they capture all the bijuu they have to figure out a way to use them b/c they are impossible to use
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Chidori vs Rasengun (Newbie)
// Dec 8, 2007 at 7:36 pm

no name pein has to be strong as hell. How else would he be able to conrol all the people underneath him. If they were stronger being the bad guys they are the would kill him in a without thinking to be the leader.

I think this whole pein fight is being thought out by people way to much. Dead ninja fighting like peins been stalking Jiraya this whole time to settle the score of leaving him. I think its all about the Rinnegan and the tricks it has that we dont know about yet. Look at the Sharinguns Doujutsu who the hell knew it could do all it can. Like opening up different dimensions and sucking things in. The Rinnegan beind better than that means its got some sick tricks waiting to be seen. They arnt bloodline traits for nothing people. They are rair and bad ass for a reason.
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