Itachi Uchiha - The Real Murderer? (PART 2)

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November 5th, 2007 · 130 Comments

Post Author: Bob

On the night of the murders, Itachi had told Sasuke that if he did achieve the Mangekyou Sharingan, there would then be three of them who possess the ability. At the time, Kakashi wasn’t even close to developing this technique, so Itachi must be referring to someone else; my guess he was talking about TOM (TOM = Tobi/Obito/Madara). According to Jiraiya, Madara possibly had the power to summon the legendary Kyuubi himself. So I think having the ability to cast a genjutsu over an entire village is not beyond his abilities. But what would he gain from the slaughter of the Uchiha clan, the clan which he founded? Some have suggested that Itachi did commit the murders by himself in order to prevent some grand scheme of Madaraâ€™s from coming to fulfillment. But I have my doubts about this theory because any reasonable person would not go out and kill his entire family and clan on the basis that something really bad â€˜couldâ€™ happen in the future. As evil as he is portrayed, the image of some maniac serial killer just doesn’t seem to fit his profile. The killing off of the entire clan save the few who could use the Mangekyou Sharingan must serve some grand purpose for Madara. But just what that is is still anyone’s guess at this point.

If you review Itachiâ€™s past fights in the Naruto series, you will see that has never killed anyone in those fights. During his first encounter with Kakashi, he could have easily killed him using the Tsukoyomi technique but instead decided to release him. In all his confrontations, Itachi is never the one to initiate the attack. As seen in his recent encounter separately with Naruto and Sasuke in the manga, he prefers to talk first. Although this often comes off as being arrogant, it does suggest that Itachi prefers to avoid violence wherever possible.

Also, if you read or watch the part in the series where the events of the Uchiha massacre was being told, youâ€™d see that in no scene was Itachi seen actually in the act of killing someone. When Sasuke entered his house to find his parents, they were already dead and Itachi was only standing over their bodies. The only reason Sasuke thinks Itachi had killed them was the images sent into his mind through genjutsu, so we canâ€™t be sure Itachi was the one who committed the crime. All of this makes that event extremely fishy in my opinion. But we still canâ€™t say Itachi is innocent. We canâ€™t deny the fact he was the only person known to be at the scene of the massacre and Itachi himself has never claimed that he wasnâ€™t guilt.

A hole in my theory is why did Itachi tell Sasuke to hate and pursue him afterwards? Why did he tell Sasuke that the only way to achieve the Mangekyou is to murder his best friend? One possibility could be that Madara was persuading if not controlling Itachi during that time and had Itachi say those words to Sasuke because having Sasuke gain the Mangekyou Sharingan is part of Madaraâ€™s grand plan. Another reason could be that Itachi knew about Madaraâ€™s plans to have Sasuke gain the Mangekyou Sharingan and purposefully told him the conditions for gaining them in the hopes that it will deter Sasuke from going down that path. But why couldnâ€™t have Itachi just told Sasuke about Madara and his plans? Why did he instead tell Sasuke to focus his hate on himself? Could it be that Itachi still cares about his little brother and pretended to play the villain so that Sasuke would come after him instead of pursuing a greater enemy, Madara?

Perhaps Itachi realizes that neither he nor Sasuke possessed the power to defeat Madara alone; but thought that if they combined their powers, they might have a chance. But in order to have Sasuke grow strong enough to aid him in the future, Itachi needed him to focus solely on his training over the years. Itachi couldnâ€™t be by his brotherâ€™s side because he needed to stay close to TOM. He made Sasuke focus his hatred on himself because, as cruel as it was, he believed it to be the only way for Sasuke to progress quickly to a high enough level Sharingan user to help him. As well, it made sure that when Sasuke was finally ready, the only person he would seek out would be Itachi. He also told Sasuke to in the secret Uchiha meeting room for a scroll telling of the true purpose of their clan’s bloodline ability - could the scroll have revealed part of Madara’s grand scheme? In a recent manga chapter, Itachi told Sasuke to meet at the old Uchiha hideout. Perhaps he believes Sasuke to be finally ready for a confrontation against Madara. The Uchiha hideout would be where he will reveal all to Susuke.

Tags: Naruto theories

130 responses so far ↓

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Nine (Caption Contest Winner)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 1:03 pm

Wow at this point i dont know! But all i know is that itachi couldn’t have killed his whole clan alone. Pluss how did susuke like get out of school and walked home with out seeing or hearing any thing? He was like walking half way home thinking to himself. When he was almost at his home he then senced that some thing was wrong?
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E.R.Nefaious (Newbie)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 1:03 pm

Ho daymn, gots the first comment!
All excelent points, Bob-O! :3 Itachi supposedly killed scores of people and that would cause a massive mountain of guild, right? Who better to kill him than his own little brother, since Itachi forced him to live through that kinda’ trauma. Pure psychology, I suppose.
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nhj (Newbie)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 3:38 pm

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nhj (Newbie)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 3:38 pm

just kiddin
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scrubby (Team Shannaro!!)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 4:05 pm

why do everyone use “TOM” when Obito was killed by a rock jutsu user it should only be a question about Tobi or Madara?
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kakashi for Hokage (Newbie)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 4:18 pm

I agree that Itatchi is not really the bad guy but gave his brother the incentive to become one of the strongest ninjas the Uchicha clan has never seen. Because the proof shows that Itatchi has compassion for ppl and he has never really killed anyone and speard everyones life that he has fought.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 4:44 pm

To answer your question, Scrubby, many people on this site are suspicious of Obito’s death being officail, because his body was never found. Also, TOBI is missing an eye (his left). Why would that be important? Obito gave Kakashi his LEFT sharingan before he died, so the missing eyes could connect Obito to the living!
8{ Woops. That got kinda’ long. Did that answer your question, though?
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tee (Newbie)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 5:00 pm

actually when sasuke entered the room itachi killed their parents in front of him but it could have been genjutsu. cause itachi is known to put you under genjutsu before battle even begins.
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bunny (Newbie)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 5:31 pm

You are a fucking retard.
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uchiha master (Newbie)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 5:37 pm

i agree… you made really good points as you say i highly doubt he couldve killed everyone in the clan… im sure he wasnt the only anbu. Plus how could nobody else have sensed it…like kakashi? or… the hokage?or their ninja military? or all the other clans (hyuga,akimichi,etc..) plus why didnt sasuke sense any of it until he was on his way home from school..?

Either A. he did some sort of S ranked jutsu that made everyone day dream all day LOL

or..B. Somebody of humongous power (madara uchiha) helped him defeat all who opposed them and made some sort of genjutsu apon the whole village.
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 6:04 pm

wow! bunny chill dude. and another part to answer scrubby is that if u think about it(and ive said this many times) madara should be dead as well cuaz he is over a 100 years old. And honestly ive never rly thought about the extent of the memebers in the uchiha clan i just thought it was sauske and his family. I have one more thought, i rly dun think itachi would have killed his family without madara’s influence, and isnt there one more jutsu to the mangeykyou sharingan we havent seen yet?
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 6:07 pm

oh and one more thing, i always new about obito and itachis best friend but i just nvr thought about who there parents were and stuff, so as i said i have nvr thought about the full extent of the uchiha clan
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Yondaime (Newbie)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 6:18 pm

Not only is Itachi non-violent, but he’s also seen to be very concerned with the dealings of his brother Sasuke. When their father, Fugaku Uchiha, would only show his favoritism to Sasuke, Itachi would step in and tell his dad to focus more on Sasuke. When it was later thought that Diedara killed Sasuke, Itachi stepped out into the rain to make it look like he actually shed tears for his younger brother.

*sidenote* Itachi seems to have quite a chakra reserve. He’s the only Uchiha we’ve seen in the entire series that can easily keep his Sharingan activated at all times. Even when he’s fatigued, he keeps them activated. *sidenote*

I don’t think he could have killed his entire clan by himself. It would seem that Madara would have had to help. One thing we have to remember is that the Sharingan’s ability (Tsukuyomi) controls space and time. While trapped in that genjutsu, it would be somewhat possible for all members of the clan to have been killed with only a second passing in the real world.

Scrubby, TOM, was named as such because Obito was crushed and had given his left Sharingan eye to Kakashi. Tobi/Madara has a mask which only shows one eye… his right Sharingan eye. With that alone, it gives reason to believe that this could be Obito. (not trying to step on toes E-Diddy ).

Bunny, that comment wasn’t needed. We are a loving bunch of NARUTARDS! lol

Excellent Excellent Post BOB!
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Yondaime (Newbie)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 6:40 pm

Yourshoe, if you notice, the Uchiha Clan, the Inuzuka Clan and the Hyuga Clan are the only 3 clans in Konoha in which you’ve seen multiple members (more than 2 or 3 members). We’ve seen many members of the Hyuga Clan during the flashbacks of Hiashi and Hizashi (Neji’s uncle and father), and during the Third Hokage’s funeral. I believe that about 10 members of the Hyuga Clan have been seen, but we only know the names of 5. Many members of the Uchiha Clan were seen during the murders and during the flashbacks of Sasuke and Itachi growing up. During one of the Filler Episodes, we saw a few members of the Inuzuka Clan. We’ve seen them also during Kiba’s flashback of when he first got Akamaru.

I don’t think that any of us take into consideration the actual population of these clans. I think we only think about the main members and a few misc. characters we see from time to time.
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Nine (Caption Contest Winner)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 8:42 pm

My god bunny dont say that. That comment was unnesisary were only human! I agree with Yondaime! *3* No one answered my question!? Ups i made a mistake on the last sentence! When he was almost at his houe he didnt senced that some thing was wrong? there lol!
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Nine (Caption Contest Winner)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 8:43 pm

*house lol they need to put a edit button for me! XD
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Gohosku (Chunin Squad Leader)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 9:03 pm

“I donâ€™t think that any of us take into consideration the actual population of these clans. I think we only think about the main members and a few misc. characters we see from time to time.”

ya usually when i think of a ‘clan’ i think of huge extended familys. You know what i always thought.. i always wondered why sasuke never inherited his familys land and become donald trump of konoha or something ROFL.
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 9:13 pm

You guys are right, we never hear about the actual size of the clans of Konoha and only see one or two characters and their immediate families. But also remember that not everyone bearing a certain clan’s last name has that their bloodline abilities (Sasuke’s mother for example). I mean, there must be some people who marry into a clan… unless there’s rampant ninja incest or something LOL
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Kazekun (Newbie)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 10:52 pm

This is VERY good observation! I mean I never thought about this until I read these blog posts, now I don’t what to think, but in anycase one tihng is for certant: Itachi couldn’t of killed all of the Uchiha clan, by himself. So it has to do with something with the Akatsuki, possibly Madara (& seems the most likely).
Yeah, Madara should be dead, but who knows, maybe he found a way for eternal life (until somone kills him)?

As for the TOM thing, Obito is missing his left, yes, & Tobi covers his whole face but his right eye, but you must remember, Obito’s ENTIRE RIGHT side (including his right eye) was CRUSHED by the falling boulder. So he wouldn’t be able to use his eye, & I doubt another Uchiha was around to fix him up good as new & give him a sharigan eye (& Obito doesn’t seem like the one to take stuff, let alone a sharigan of his own clan when he willingly gave Kakashi his left eye, by force (well, besides taking Rin back by force, but that was love & friendship). So I don’t believe Tobi to be Obito.
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Shino Aburame ()
// Nov 5, 2007 at 11:29 pm

Well I’m pretty sure that there are a lot of common people in Konoha… those who are unable to become shinobi, they just aren’t talked about often. Maybe only the elite become shinobi, or those who want to protect.

On a side note… what if Madara was planning on fighting the Uchiha clan alone (for who knows why) and cast some super Genjutsu upon the town and when he got to Itachi, Itachi sensed him, broke the jutsu and fought him as he killed off the rest of the clan. Of course there are a lot of holes in this theory, this is saying that Itachi failed in saving his clan, was succesful in defending himself, and driving Madara away before Sasuke returned. But what would you do if it is evident that you have been fighting for a considerably long time, and everyone around you is dead and there are no witnesses and no evidence of an enemy, and who would beleive that Madara is alive! That could be the only reason that I see right now that he told Sasuke to hate him. He might have disgraced himself by his failure and he would obviously have to go into hiding without Sasuke. Nevertheless, this is some good stuff Bob!
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Shino Aburame ()
// Nov 5, 2007 at 11:39 pm

Forgot to sign in… one more thing… I would really like to know the motives for all this killing, no matter who did it. Why would an Uchiha clan member want nearly the entire Uchiha clan killed?
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Nov 5, 2007 at 11:54 pm

I personally don’t think that Itachi killed his entire clan but I think he could have. For one, Tsukiyomi can affect everyone who looks into the user’s eyes so he might have killed a lot of people off that way. Two, it was night time, he could have killed a bunch of people while they were asleep, I think he was quick enough to do so. And three, I think that only a handful of people are actual fighters, probably the ones that work at the ‘police station’, and the rest are women, children and older people. I’m not even sure if women are able to activate the sharingan as everyone who is seen with it are male..
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 12:41 am

Man, I wish there would be a female Sharingan user still alive. And maybe have her wipe the floor with Itachi to take down his ego a notch or two, lol.
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Shino Aburame ()
// Nov 6, 2007 at 12:54 am

That would be awesome… I’m sure the female Uchiha can activate it… but the world may never know…
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 2:14 am

Although his voice and stuff we can’t be sure that Tobi isn’t actually a girl,right?
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Yondaime (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 5:44 am

I like Itachi’s arrogance. Its not different from Shino’s, Sasuke’s, or Neji’s. All 3 have the ability to fully assess whether or not their enemy will even have a chance at giving them a run for their money. I mean, a clone with only 30% chakra gave Granny, Kakashi, Naruto, and Sakura a run for their money.
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Karichan (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 6:04 am

Hey, if you look back at the massacre episodes, you’ll notice that there’s not a speck of blood on Itachi. If he did kill his clan, wouldn’t there be some stain of blood somewhere? Plus, in a very weird way, it seems like Itachi cares about Sasuke. To me anyway.
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Super_Saiyan_Uchiha (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 7:02 am

uchiha madara is a cake face and itachi is really a robot with sauages shoved up his nose.
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 7:51 am

You guys might be over thinking this a bit. I don’t think Kishi put into account how many ANBU members there were or whether or not to put blood on Itachi’s clothes or not.
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 7:55 am

Yeah but it’s evident Itachi cares about his brother, like he smiles when Naruto says that he sees Sasuke as a brother. He’s probably happy to see that his brother has someone like Naruto.
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Sorinax (Chunin)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 8:32 am

Idon’t think that Obito is Madara because Madara once fought with the first Hokage and this happened a long time ago. Obito was the same age as Kakashi.
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E-Diddy (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 2:43 pm

Thanks Yondaime, you scolded foul and unjustified language! Much appreceated.
From Shino: “Why would an Uchiha Clan member want nearly the entire Uchiha clan killed?” That’s why the conspirasist buff thinks there’s more than just one or two stake-holders in this. What of ROOT and what of Pein in this whole afair. Wouldn’t it be safe to say that Pein simply used the Rinnegan to kill off the Uchiha clan (since the’d be able to stop his plan of global destrucion) and frame Itachi since he would be the only one considered capable of pulling off such a dangerous act? And since Itachi would have nowhere else to go, he’d join the Akatsuki.
ALSO!!! An organization as suposedly tallented as ROOT would be able to recognize and respond to hundreds of people being killed in the night, right? Well why isn’t there any recording of any ANBu being killed? Where were they? And one can only wonder how Donzou lost his limbs and half of his face. :3 Sorry.That was really long! ^_^;;
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Minato Kamikaze (Rookie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 3:01 pm

Many people seem to think that madara could not be alive because he is over one hundred years old, look at orochimaru, does he not have a body transfer justsu that basically lets him live forever, or did before Sasuke came along? Also I strongly am going with the theory of madara being Toby, as for Obito i think they are not the same person. I think the whole world domination effect is what madara is after. That being said, as i stated earlier he thought the Uchihas being the only people to stop him so slaughertered them all, and Itachi fits into this somehow. I do think that Itachi loves his younger brother and has pushed him to become strong for a reason. After all, i may be mistaken on this next part, but did we not see someone referred to as “madara” commanding pein? So we could assume that “madara is pretty badass, excuse my french.
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ShikamaruIsTheMan (Rebel Shinobi Leader)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 3:49 pm

I don’t know if it is theory or actually true in the Naruto world, but isn’t Madara Uchiha the son of a Demon, the Tengu. That would mean that he half-demon and most likely doesn’t age like a normal human making it possible for him to live for over a hundred years.

Great 2-Part blog Bob, I really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work.
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ShikamaruIsTheMan (Rebel Shinobi Leader)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 4:00 pm

Also, whenever someone says that Tobi is Madara I can’t help but look back at when that whole thing started with Tobi telling Pein and Konan to go after Naruto themselves.

From what I read it isn’t that Tobi says he is Madara but rather that “The Sharigan’s True Power…My Power… Uchiha Madara’s Power…” This makes me think that Tobi isn’t Madara but that when all the Jinchuuriki are collected they will be able to release the Sharigan’s purest form, i.e. Madara Uchiha’s Sharigan (the first Uchiha), which Tobi will get.
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Minato Kamikaze (Rookie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 4:31 pm

Perhaps, but all we can do as fans is guesswork for the moment. I cant wait to see what happens later on in the series. But we all know in the end that Minato will be show up and say”Just Kidding about the whole me dying thing guys, i wanted i break. So whats been going on?” Then he will kill every remaining Akatsku member and they will dance and sing in the forest.
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jutsu...master (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 4:59 pm

newbie
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jutsu...master (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 5:01 pm

I…agree…with….Minato Kamikaze
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jutsu...master (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 5:03 pm

Although his voice and stuff we canâ€™t be sure that Tobi isnâ€™t actually a girl,right
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jutsu...master (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 5:03 pm

Last!
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Itachi_ (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 5:09 pm

“who would beleive that Madara is alive!”
well lets think back about those shinobies that transfers their body and keep living, lik the guy who Naruto killed his 2 heart with his new jutsu, didnt he fought the First Hockage and that would be over 100 yrs. So maybe Madara has some technique that keeps him live for that long.
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MinatoKamikaze (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 5:34 pm

Itachi… i had just posted something that basically said what you just said…
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MinatoKamikaze (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 5:38 pm

Shikumaru, you bring up a good point that i did not notice… He did state he was going to have the power of Uchiha Madara, which makes sense, as seeing that onlly Madara Uchiha had the power to summon the kyubi correct? So Toby is not Madara, but a different individual.
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MinatoKamikaze (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 5:41 pm

Here again, this is all just guesswork, so let us all look forward to more NARUTO!!!!
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MinatoKamikaze (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 6:37 pm

Everyone keeps asking why did no one sense the Uhihas’ family murder, well I just thought of something. Weren’t they the police force? They were the ones to sense stuff like that, so whoever did really take them out had to worry about them. People say Anbu should have known, well Anbu is more like the military in my perspective, so they are usually away from the village. they guard the borders, hokage, whatever. All I’m saying is that maybe there wasnt a mass genjutsu involved… The Murderer or murderers, mispells i know, of the Uchiha family might not have had to worry about anyone else involved.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 6:47 pm

Huzzah for the Kakashi Gaiden update, Bob. Many-many-many thankies, keep it up! 8D
You bring up a valid poing, Shikamaru, but the “purest form of the Sharingan” could also be a set of eyes with six tomes. Bob brought up the tomes in an earlier blog and it’s kinda’ felt like a riddle ever since.
If the Rinnegan is considered more poserful, then why isn’t TOM after Pein’s abilities? Or would a “complete” sharingan surpass even the Rinnegan?
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MinatoKamikaze (Newbie)
// Nov 6, 2007 at 6:54 pm

Well it seems that TOM already has Pein under control, so might no need the Rinnegan. Correct if wrong, but is the Rinnegan just for ninjutsus, or all?
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Shino Aburame ()
// Nov 7, 2007 at 1:45 am

Yes all this is guess work… How about we establish some things that we are all almost sure about…
1. Itachi loves Sasuke

If you guys agree we can establish this and then move on to something else we can establish and then we can have a more organized theory about future mangas…

If you think it is a stupid idea then forget I said anything
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elerium (Genin)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 11:42 am

Shino, very good idea indeed to summarize everything. I do agree that Itachi is not as evil as everyone thinks.

Some additional points/questions:

1. Why do we think that someone FROM Uchiha clan killed everyone? It could have been:
a. Root. Why did Sai was given a mission to assassinate Sasuke? Maybe to finish what was stared when whole clan was killed.
b.Akatsuki. Maybe they wanted to get a hold of Sharingan user, and since Itachi had contacted them they wanted him to join but he refused. So they forced him to, like with Deidara.

2. It is very hard to guess at this point what TOM (Tobi, Obito, Madara) really is. One good point is made by Nine-Tail-Fox stating that Sharingan’s chakra is even more ominous than its own. Maybe this is why Obito was rendered evil and estranged to become Tobi, which strives for Madara power. I guess all we can do is wait for the meeting of the Uchiha brother Itachi and Sasuke to learn more.

3. I have a feeling (it was also pointed out by someone before) that Sasuke is playing some very big role in all this situation. Maybe even being the reason the whole clan was killed. He is of interest to all the parties: Root, Akatsuki, Madara and other unknown ones.
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ShikamaruIsTheMan (Rebel Shinobi Leader)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 11:45 am

I fully agree that Itachi loves Sasuke.

I think the next step is to establish when Itachi went to the “dark side.”
We know that his attitude changed once he joined ANBU, right? So a couple of questions arise:
1. What role does ROOT play in terms of Itachi joining ANBU?
2. Did Itachi join Akutsuki before or after the Uchiha genocide?

E. Nef — I don’t know if it is authentic but I remember reading that Madara was the son of a Demon, the Tengu, and a Hyuuga woman. And he had special abilities other than the Sharigan because of his half-demon blood… Maybe that is the power Tobi was talking about??
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ShikamaruIsTheMan (Rebel Shinobi Leader)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 11:51 am

elerium — I like your point about Sasuke and I can’t help but think about him from a Psychological point of view. Him being the brother of a prodigy like Itachi obviously had a huge effect on him even before the Uchiha’s were masecred.

Also, if Itachi wanted Sasuke to become very powerful, enough to kill even himself, why did he never really teach Sasuke anything while they were young. He must have planned on “killing” the clan or at least had sensed it, he could have pointed Sasuke down the right path instead of just leaving an almost unachievable role model to strive to be like.
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 12:12 pm

Well about ‘Root’ wanting to kill Sasuke, it was to destroy Orochimaru’s next vessel and to prevent the destruction of Konoha.. Also, Akatsuki isn’t really interested in Sasuke at all, Pein only said to be careful and not underestimate him and ‘Hebi’, they’re not after him or anything, well besides Deidara..
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Temari XD (Newbie)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 12:47 pm

I just dont think that itachi is what we have been led on to be, at a young age he was in ANBU its been years now training with akatsuki some of the best ninja, i think he is a lot stronger then we are being led to believe and thats why he has been running from fights i dont think after that day he has it in him 2 kill……just a personal theory
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Minato Kamikaze (Rookie)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 2:44 pm

Ok so we all believe that itachi is not completely evil, so let’s get something else involved. Why,if Itachi really did kill his family, would he let Sauske live? I’m sure that in all the Uchihas that were killed that there were children killed, so why let Sauske live? Wow, actually after writing that, i do not see anyway that Itachi could have killed Sauske… I mean why let his brother live when he most likely killed all the other Uchiha children, some could have even been newborns… SO WTF?!?!?!?!
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 2:49 pm

Do you guys know why Itachi didn’t fight against the four tails? Was it because he is going blind from using the Mangekyou sharingan too much? I think Itachi could have killed Jiraiya that one time if he directed Amaterasu at him because Jiraiya wouldn’t have known it was coming.
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 2:52 pm

Itachi said something before about how he and Sasuke must exist together even if they hate each other or something along those lines. Also we’re not sure if Itachi killed his entire clan, that’s what this blog is about.
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Minato Kamikaze (Rookie)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 3:24 pm

Ya… i know that, but i was just thinking on how there is now way in my mind now… but anyway, I don’t think there is anyway we are going to get further than that theory, because there is no evidence to back up any more theories…. So we will have to wait to find out what happens next…
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 3:45 pm

Why didn’t Itachi fight against the Four-Tails? Didn’t Kisame call dibs on that one? XD Literally?
Also, Itachi was never terribly close with his parents, but he was always close to Sasuke and acted as a good older brother. He probably couldn’t bring himself to kill Sasuke, since he cares for him too much. Also, who else would be more likely to become strong enough to kill him, than his own little brother? AND if Itachi wants to die, who better to avenge their family than Sasuke?
But if seems psychology isn’t going to be terribly effective with Sasuke and Itachi, since they’re so ambiguous with their emotions. Very stoic siblings.
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nhj (Newbie)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 4:34 pm

tis is amazing!!!!!!! I would’ve never guassed
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nhj (Newbie)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 4:35 pm

I’m sorry I ment THIS not TIS
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 5:16 pm

Yeah you’re right.. We’ll just have to wait and find out. Who knows maybe one of these theories are right on the spot.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 5:24 pm

Waiting’s the worst part, though! XD
Seriously. It’s gonna’ take at least five updates untill we really get to the “talkies” between Itachi and Sasuke, and that’s an optimistic guess! ^_^;;
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Nov 7, 2007 at 11:24 pm

Yeah seriously.. We’ll have to wait until the fight between Pein and Jiraiya is over or nearly over until they get to Itachi and Sasuke since the series doesn’t like to jump back and forth. Which isn’t a bad thing at all since this fight is exciting and it’s revealing a bunch of neat story.
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Shino Aburame ()
// Nov 8, 2007 at 3:00 am

Alright so most of us agree that Itachi loves Sasuke so on to #2: TOM was involved in the assassination of the Uchiha clan in some way.

I know it is broad but there are so many theories about this that I think this is the best way to find something we all are almost sure of
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Yondaime (Newbie)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 4:19 am

Nameless*Itachi is one of the few characters in the Naruverse (my new word) that has accurate assesments on how strong his enemies are. He himself basically told Kisame that the 2 of them were not strong enough to take Jiraiya on. That says alot about Jiraiya. Itachi has Amaretsu, but Jiraiya has a number of jutsus that Itachi hasn’t seen. Lets not forget about the fact that Jirayia is a Toad Sage, learned from Sarutobi (3rd Hokage), is a Sannin, taught the 4th Hokage, and is teaching Naruto. Also, Jiraiya was approached first for the 5th Hokage position in Konoha. He’s the one that recommended Tsunade.

Hey, doesn’t a new episode come out today? Which means it should come out subbed Friday? Which means Chapter 377 should be out either today or tomorrow? NaruSWEET!
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Real_Itachi (Newbie)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 7:46 am

I only read 2 paragraphs and agree with you 100% here is my theory:

I had this discussion with my brother. I have always felt that Itachi left Sasuke alive for reasons other than what he told him. So I said this “wouldn’t it be funny if Itachi made Sasuke see his parents and village getting killed using his Mangekyo Sharingan in order to save him or something to that effect.”

Now the reasons is I think this is

1. If Itachi didn’t love his little brother then why is he the only one he kept alive?
2. Itachi has had plenty chances to whoop and or kill Sasuke but he hasn’t
3. Itachi seems to have other things on his mind at the moment instead of waiting for his brother to get strong enough to kill him.
4. If he was really a menace then he would taunt Sasuke every chance he gets.

I don’t know I always felt that there was something else to the story…and now with the introduction of other Uchiha’s out there I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a plot twist to the story…

Glad I am not the only one to think this….
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Real_Itachi (Newbie)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 7:53 am

OR: Maybe he is pushing Sasuke to kill him because he feels guilty about what he has done and secretly wants to feel that justice has be dealt. I don’t really think Itachi is a bad guy because other than going after Naruto, talking a lot of ish, and using his Sharingan on Kikashi he really hasn’t done much.
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 8:56 am

Hey everyone! I’m posting a new blog (if Bob approves it)! Watch out for it.
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elerium (Genin)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 9:47 am

Hi all, i bet most of you read this theory but check it out once again: http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=106576

In a nutshell:
Uchiha is a clan originated from Hyiuga girl and a demon marriage. The first born, Madara, upon maturity found out that his farther, the demon wanted his body for himself, so he summoned nine tailed fox and with two other MS users sealed the demon. This was the biggest secret of the Uchiha clan who protected it fiercfully. When Itachi, another Uchiha genius was told about this thought that the clan is weak to shield itself from the demon side and decided to release the demon itself. For this feat, like Madare he needed Nine tail fox chakra and two other MS users. For nine tail fox he is in Akatsuki. And one MS user to help him to reseal the demon is Tobi and another he wanted to be his brother. But the only way to make him powerful was to kill the clan and make him strive for vengeance.

This theory has flaws, especially since I tend to think Itachi is not that evil. Maybe his two sides - human and demon are still in a fight. And also this demon bloodline thing is not so strongly stressed in Naruverse.. In any case, lets keep waiting for the answers.
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Yondaime (Newbie)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 10:10 am

Elerium* I’d read that same theory somewhere too. Like we all say, we have to wait and see… by 2010, we’ll know what PEIN looks like… LMAO!
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 1:07 pm

Hey! i just noticed I’m the guy who wrote commrnt #5000 on this site!
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Minato Kamikaze (Rookie)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 3:04 pm

I have never heard that demon theory before, but I have heard that it was one of the Hokages that helped a Hyuga make the Sharigan… I think we can all agree that the uchihas came from the hyguas… I find it hard to believe that a demon was involved though….
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 3:21 pm

hey guys, i just thought of something, sry if this is someone elses theory but ive been gone for 3 days and this blog is full of stuff and i dun feel like reading them. anyways my theory is that TOM/Itachi: TOMI(kinda sounds like tomy) killed the entire uchiha clan cauz they needed some kinda ultimate sacrifice for that sojobo(maybe 6 paths sage)so that that thing can revive as well as needing 3 mangeykyuo sharingan users
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 3:23 pm

and im guessing that sacrifice would be like 5 million gallons of uchiha blood
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 3:24 pm

which would lead to a 15million ton 5 foot tall rinoserus,
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 3:34 pm

Here’s yet another few possible twists, gathered by the link elerium so graciously gave us. Thanks, by the way. ^_^
1) Even though Itachi was being tailed by his supposed “best friend”, who’s to say Shisui wasn’t the one who wanted to activate tha mangekyo. As a stretch, Shisui could have attempted to use the Tsukiyomi on Itachi and failed, due to the alignment of the moon he’d fail. Itachi could promptly kick his ass soon afterwards. Itachi told several other men “not to judge by appearance”, that might not only apply to HIM.
2) The “path” as in the letter could simply be the path of serving the “Uchiha way”. . . OR it could be that the writer couldn’t bring himself to achieve the Mangekyo Sharingan by killing their best friend. It really IS a sucky way to make improvement. . .
Over-all, it seems that something crucial in his knowledge was contradicted and pushed him off the deep-end; the question is: what specifically WAS it?
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 4:28 pm

hehe, I love the Shisui theory of yours, Nef. Opens up a whole set of new doors for our conspiracy theories
So you’re saying Shisui might have been the evil one who was tempted by Madara’s promise of power? Shisui tried killing Itachi to obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan, but Itachi was too cool to be taken down by a third-tier character and beat the crap out of him.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 6:06 pm

Well, toss your own crazy conspiracy theories out, El Bobito! Just make sure it sounds crazier than all the other theories here!! ;D That’s what makes it fun!!!
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Shino Aburame ()
// Nov 8, 2007 at 7:01 pm

I have been thinking for a long time about how Kakashi was able to use MS. He refers to his best friend as Obito but he didn’t kill Obito. In fact Obito may still be alive. I think that since Kakashi has Obito’s eye that since Tobi/Obito can use MS then that was how Kakashi got it. If Tobi is indeed Obito then he could have made and killed his best friend and therefore was able to use MS for both of his eyes and that is how Kakashi is able to use MS.
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Shino Aburame ()
// Nov 8, 2007 at 8:42 pm

Another thing… After reading Kakashi Gaiden it seems like Obito was for sure going to die. It says that Rin couldn’t do anything to help him. So I think that either right before he died or whenever that Madara took over his body because he needed a new one… There is almost no doubt in my mind that Tobi is Obito’s body. He has his hair, his eye, and he wears a mask instead of goggles. It seems logical to me, this could also be the reason that Kakashi can perform MS, because obviously Madara can
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Nov 8, 2007 at 10:41 pm

Yeah but Kakashi got Obito’s eyes when there were only two tomoe(s?) present. Since the eyes are in separate bodies, I don’t think Kakashi would activate the MS just because Madara did. So I think Kakashi activated his another way.
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elerium (Genin)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 2:20 am

Well, Shino has a point there - i don’t find it particularly difficult to believe that even when the eyes are in different bodies they are still connected. So the development of Kakashis eye can be influenced by that of Obito or Madara inside Obitos reformed body. However, Kakashi mentioned his own efforts to unlock the eye, so he surely did something himself as well.

I quite like the idea that Obito’s body was snatched by Madara (or someone else) just before dying. It would explain the mask and why he is evil now.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 6:40 am

Well, the affect of the Mangekyo Sharingan could be activated when death is passed between two friends. If this kind of flaw exists with the Sharingan (activation from a closeness to personal death) then many other theories could come from it as well! For example, Shisui could have been killed by Pein, right in front of Itachi. Since Itachi wouldn’t have been able to save him, it would both shatter his belief in his abilities AND it would probably make him crazy enough to kill his village. With that said, we could also assume that Itachi simply wants the Rinnegan, which is believed to be stronger than the Sharingan. ^_^ Many fun twists can be found!
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 6:56 am

Sorry. My thesis wasnâ€™t very clear! XD It means that the friends wouldn’t have to do the killing, they just need to be in proximity to each other when they die!
As for TOM. . . Perhaps he’s bi-polar? All evidence points to it being Obito’s body, but Obito was never a blood-thirsty killer that wanted to raise Madara Uchiha’s evil empire. . . This kinda’ leads me to believe that somebody entirely new is possessing Obito’s body, and while Obito’s body was being brought back a piece of HIM came back as well. Meaning: Obito’s stuck sharing his body with some crazy killer (or vise-versa). This would explain the change between the childish voice we normally hear and the satanic raspy voice we get when he’s feeling evil. Also, the whole “renting out bodies” thing has been proven possible by Kabuto and the creepy snake-man-steroids he took! XD
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 7:13 am

So basically, the newest theory is that if you’re an Uchiha, than you aren’t evil? Because nobody has ever seen an Uchiha actually harm someone or do anything evil at all…
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 7:14 am

Well except for Sasuke.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 7:15 am

Sasuke’s emo, so he doesn’t COUNT! xP
Sure, they might have been good guys, but their egos must have been MASSIVE! No wonder Itachi killed them all! XD
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elerium (Genin)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 7:49 am

heheh, sweet.
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ShikamaruIsTheMan (Rebel Shinobi Leader)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 10:20 am

there is a manga out this week:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=naruto%20manga%20377&search_sort=relevance&search_category=0&search=Search&v=&uploaded=w
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elerium (Genin)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 1:28 pm

Shikamru - thanks. But i got a hold of more valuable link. Here are the translations and some pics:

http://www.narutomania.com/forums/naruto-manga/naruto-manga-chapter-377-spoiler-thread-pics-summaries-only-83380.html

Well, the only thing i can say - its getting damn mad in that battle.
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Temari XD (Newbie)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 1:48 pm

shikimaru lol sasukes emo =P so true!!!
it does seem that the uchiha clan arent as evil as i seemed to think i mean sasukes the only real crazy 1 and i think he has pretty good reason hes gotta be on all sorta pills to stop him going manic depressent, so then i guess why was the clan wipped out then?
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Temari XD (Newbie)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 1:51 pm

and another thing to shino, im also sure tobi is in obitos body i mean even the names are basically the same jumble round a few letters and its there!
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shunkou (Newbie)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 2:30 pm

Im sure Madara was the one who killed of the clan something like this would be a small feat for someone who is powerful enough to summon and control the demon fox. The Mangekyou Sharingan is achieved when you believe yourself to be the cause of death of your best friend which is probably the case of itachi who blames himself for the death of his friend at the hands of Akatsuki because I have no reason to believe that Kakashi killed his bf but probably blames himslf for his death.
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Gohosku (Chunin Squad Leader)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 2:36 pm

chapter 377

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter377.msnw
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senshu (Newbie)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 2:46 pm

If Tobi/Mandara is Obito then I don’t get why he was appointed Deidara’s sidekick-thing in the earlier manga chapters
and he seemed so vulnerable…so new and stuff
lol
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Nov 9, 2007 at 4:18 pm

TOM could act like a complete dunce for a whole BUNCH of reasons! ^_^;; I personally thinks he’s bi-polar, so his acting childish could just be one of his sides. OR he doesn’t enjoy being the authoritarian of the organization and prefers field work, so he acts like kid so he can go out on missions.
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ShikamaruIsTheMan (Rebel Shinobi Leader)
// Nov 10, 2007 at 12:24 pm

I think we all should take into account that Kakashi has had to learn and develop his sharigan by himslef, without the help of anyone. With that in mind I think it is very possible that he unlocked MSharingan differently than Itachi. Also, it is made very clear that the Sharingan takes a lot out of Kakashi because he isn’t an Uchiha.
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ShikamaruIsTheMan (Rebel Shinobi Leader)
// Nov 10, 2007 at 12:25 pm

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