Itachi Uchiha – The Real Murderer? (PART 2)
Post Author: Bob
On the night of the murders, Itachi had told Sasuke that if he did achieve the Mangekyou Sharingan, there would then be three of them who possess the ability. At the time, Kakashi wasn’t even close to developing this technique, so Itachi must be referring to someone else; my guess he was talking about TOM (TOM = Tobi/Obito/Madara). According to Jiraiya, Madara possibly had the power to summon the legendary Kyuubi himself. So I think having the ability to cast a genjutsu over an entire village is not beyond his abilities. But what would he gain from the slaughter of the Uchiha clan, the clan which he founded? Some have suggested that Itachi did commit the murders by himself in order to prevent some grand scheme of Madara’s from coming to fulfillment. But I have my doubts about this theory because any reasonable person would not go out and kill his entire family and clan on the basis that something really bad ‘could’ happen in the future. As evil as he is portrayed, the image of some maniac serial killer just doesn’t seem to fit his profile. The killing off of the entire clan save the few who could use the Mangekyou Sharingan must serve some grand purpose for Madara. But just what that is is still anyone’s guess at this point.
If you review Itachi’s past fights in the Naruto series, you will see that has never killed anyone in those fights. During his first encounter with Kakashi, he could have easily killed him using the Tsukoyomi technique but instead decided to release him. In all his confrontations, Itachi is never the one to initiate the attack. As seen in his recent encounter separately with Naruto and Sasuke in the manga, he prefers to talk first. Although this often comes off as being arrogant, it does suggest that Itachi prefers to avoid violence wherever possible.
Also, if you read or watch the part in the series where the events of the Uchiha massacre was being told, you’d see that in no scene was Itachi seen actually in the act of killing someone. When Sasuke entered his house to find his parents, they were already dead and Itachi was only standing over their bodies. The only reason Sasuke thinks Itachi had killed them was the images sent into his mind through genjutsu, so we can’t be sure Itachi was the one who committed the crime. All of this makes that event extremely fishy in my opinion. But we still can’t say Itachi is innocent. We can’t deny the fact he was the only person known to be at the scene of the massacre and Itachi himself has never claimed that he wasn’t guilt.
A hole in my theory is why did Itachi tell Sasuke to hate and pursue him afterwards? Why did he tell Sasuke that the only way to achieve the Mangekyou is to murder his best friend? One possibility could be that Madara was persuading if not controlling Itachi during that time and had Itachi say those words to Sasuke because having Sasuke gain the Mangekyou Sharingan is part of Madara’s grand plan. Another reason could be that Itachi knew about Madara’s plans to have Sasuke gain the Mangekyou Sharingan and purposefully told him the conditions for gaining them in the hopes that it will deter Sasuke from going down that path. But why couldn’t have Itachi just told Sasuke about Madara and his plans? Why did he instead tell Sasuke to focus his hate on himself? Could it be that Itachi still cares about his little brother and pretended to play the villain so that Sasuke would come after him instead of pursuing a greater enemy, Madara?
Perhaps Itachi realizes that neither he nor Sasuke possessed the power to defeat Madara alone; but thought that if they combined their powers, they might have a chance. But in order to have Sasuke grow strong enough to aid him in the future, Itachi needed him to focus solely on his training over the years. Itachi couldn’t be by his brother’s side because he needed to stay close to TOM. He made Sasuke focus his hatred on himself because, as cruel as it was, he believed it to be the only way for Sasuke to progress quickly to a high enough level Sharingan user to help him. As well, it made sure that when Sasuke was finally ready, the only person he would seek out would be Itachi. He also told Sasuke to in the secret Uchiha meeting room for a scroll telling of the true purpose of their clan’s bloodline ability – could the scroll have revealed part of Madara’s grand scheme? In a recent manga chapter, Itachi told Sasuke to meet at the old Uchiha hideout. Perhaps he believes Sasuke to be finally ready for a confrontation against Madara. The Uchiha hideout would be where he will reveal all to Susuke.
Wow at this point i dont know! But all i know is that itachi couldn’t have killed his whole clan alone. Pluss how did susuke like get out of school and walked home with out seeing or hearing any thing? He was like walking half way home thinking to himself. When he was almost at his home he then senced that some thing was wrong?
Ho daymn, gots the first comment!
All excelent points, Bob-O! :3 Itachi supposedly killed scores of people and that would cause a massive mountain of guild, right? Who better to kill him than his own little brother, since Itachi forced him to live through that kinda’ trauma. Pure psychology, I suppose.
vbvbvbvbvbvbvbvbvbvbvbvbvbvbvbvbvbvbvbvbv
just kiddin
why do everyone use “TOM” when Obito was killed by a rock jutsu user it should only be a question about Tobi or Madara?
I agree that Itatchi is not really the bad guy but gave his brother the incentive to become one of the strongest ninjas the Uchicha clan has never seen. Because the proof shows that Itatchi has compassion for ppl and he has never really killed anyone and speard everyones life that he has fought.
To answer your question, Scrubby, many people on this site are suspicious of Obito’s death being officail, because his body was never found. Also, TOBI is missing an eye (his left). Why would that be important? Obito gave Kakashi his LEFT sharingan before he died, so the missing eyes could connect Obito to the living!
8{ Woops. That got kinda’ long. Did that answer your question, though?
actually when sasuke entered the room itachi killed their parents in front of him but it could have been genjutsu. cause itachi is known to put you under genjutsu before battle even begins.
You are a fucking retard.
i agree… you made really good points as you say i highly doubt he couldve killed everyone in the clan… im sure he wasnt the only anbu. Plus how could nobody else have sensed it…like kakashi? or… the hokage?or their ninja military? or all the other clans (hyuga,akimichi,etc..) plus why didnt sasuke sense any of it until he was on his way home from school..?
Either A. he did some sort of S ranked jutsu that made everyone day dream all day LOL
or..B. Somebody of humongous power (madara uchiha) helped him defeat all who opposed them and made some sort of genjutsu apon the whole village.
wow! bunny chill dude. and another part to answer scrubby is that if u think about it(and ive said this many times) madara should be dead as well cuaz he is over a 100 years old. And honestly ive never rly thought about the extent of the memebers in the uchiha clan i just thought it was sauske and his family. I have one more thought, i rly dun think itachi would have killed his family without madara’s influence, and isnt there one more jutsu to the mangeykyou sharingan we havent seen yet?
oh and one more thing, i always new about obito and itachis best friend but i just nvr thought about who there parents were and stuff, so as i said i have nvr thought about the full extent of the uchiha clan
Not only is Itachi non-violent, but he’s also seen to be very concerned with the dealings of his brother Sasuke. When their father, Fugaku Uchiha, would only show his favoritism to Sasuke, Itachi would step in and tell his dad to focus more on Sasuke. When it was later thought that Diedara killed Sasuke, Itachi stepped out into the rain to make it look like he actually shed tears for his younger brother.
*sidenote* Itachi seems to have quite a chakra reserve. He’s the only Uchiha we’ve seen in the entire series that can easily keep his Sharingan activated at all times. Even when he’s fatigued, he keeps them activated. *sidenote*
I don’t think he could have killed his entire clan by himself. It would seem that Madara would have had to help. One thing we have to remember is that the Sharingan’s ability (Tsukuyomi) controls space and time. While trapped in that genjutsu, it would be somewhat possible for all members of the clan to have been killed with only a second passing in the real world.
Scrubby, TOM, was named as such because Obito was crushed and had given his left Sharingan eye to Kakashi. Tobi/Madara has a mask which only shows one eye… his right Sharingan eye. With that alone, it gives reason to believe that this could be Obito. (not trying to step on toes E-Diddy
).
Bunny, that comment wasn’t needed. We are a loving bunch of NARUTARDS! lol
Excellent Excellent Post BOB!
Yourshoe, if you notice, the Uchiha Clan, the Inuzuka Clan and the Hyuga Clan are the only 3 clans in Konoha in which you’ve seen multiple members (more than 2 or 3 members). We’ve seen many members of the Hyuga Clan during the flashbacks of Hiashi and Hizashi (Neji’s uncle and father), and during the Third Hokage’s funeral. I believe that about 10 members of the Hyuga Clan have been seen, but we only know the names of 5. Many members of the Uchiha Clan were seen during the murders and during the flashbacks of Sasuke and Itachi growing up. During one of the Filler Episodes, we saw a few members of the Inuzuka Clan. We’ve seen them also during Kiba’s flashback of when he first got Akamaru.
I don’t think that any of us take into consideration the actual population of these clans. I think we only think about the main members and a few misc. characters we see from time to time.
My god bunny dont say that. That comment was unnesisary were only human! I agree with Yondaime! *3* No one answered my question!? Ups i made a mistake on the last sentence! When he was almost at his houe he didnt senced that some thing was wrong? there lol!
*house lol they need to put a edit button for me! XD
“I don’t think that any of us take into consideration the actual population of these clans. I think we only think about the main members and a few misc. characters we see from time to time.”
ya usually when i think of a ‘clan’ i think of huge extended familys. You know what i always thought.. i always wondered why sasuke never inherited his familys land and become donald trump of konoha or something ROFL.
You guys are right, we never hear about the actual size of the clans of Konoha and only see one or two characters and their immediate families. But also remember that not everyone bearing a certain clan’s last name has that their bloodline abilities (Sasuke’s mother for example). I mean, there must be some people who marry into a clan… unless there’s rampant ninja incest or something LOL
This is VERY good observation! I mean I never thought about this until I read these blog posts, now I don’t what to think, but in anycase one tihng is for certant: Itachi couldn’t of killed all of the Uchiha clan, by himself. So it has to do with something with the Akatsuki, possibly Madara (& seems the most likely).
Yeah, Madara should be dead, but who knows, maybe he found a way for eternal life (until somone kills him)?
As for the TOM thing, Obito is missing his left, yes, & Tobi covers his whole face but his right eye, but you must remember, Obito’s ENTIRE RIGHT side (including his right eye) was CRUSHED by the falling boulder. So he wouldn’t be able to use his eye, & I doubt another Uchiha was around to fix him up good as new & give him a sharigan eye (& Obito doesn’t seem like the one to take stuff, let alone a sharigan of his own clan when he willingly gave Kakashi his left eye, by force (well, besides taking Rin back by force, but that was love & friendship). So I don’t believe Tobi to be Obito.
Well I’m pretty sure that there are a lot of common people in Konoha… those who are unable to become shinobi, they just aren’t talked about often. Maybe only the elite become shinobi, or those who want to protect.
On a side note… what if Madara was planning on fighting the Uchiha clan alone (for who knows why) and cast some super Genjutsu upon the town and when he got to Itachi, Itachi sensed him, broke the jutsu and fought him as he killed off the rest of the clan. Of course there are a lot of holes in this theory, this is saying that Itachi failed in saving his clan, was succesful in defending himself, and driving Madara away before Sasuke returned. But what would you do if it is evident that you have been fighting for a considerably long time, and everyone around you is dead and there are no witnesses and no evidence of an enemy, and who would beleive that Madara is alive! That could be the only reason that I see right now that he told Sasuke to hate him. He might have disgraced himself by his failure and he would obviously have to go into hiding without Sasuke. Nevertheless, this is some good stuff Bob!
Forgot to sign in… one more thing… I would really like to know the motives for all this killing, no matter who did it. Why would an Uchiha clan member want nearly the entire Uchiha clan killed?
I personally don’t think that Itachi killed his entire clan but I think he could have. For one, Tsukiyomi can affect everyone who looks into the user’s eyes so he might have killed a lot of people off that way. Two, it was night time, he could have killed a bunch of people while they were asleep, I think he was quick enough to do so. And three, I think that only a handful of people are actual fighters, probably the ones that work at the ‘police station’, and the rest are women, children and older people. I’m not even sure if women are able to activate the sharingan as everyone who is seen with it are male..
Man, I wish there would be a female Sharingan user still alive. And maybe have her wipe the floor with Itachi to take down his ego a notch or two, lol.
That would be awesome… I’m sure the female Uchiha can activate it… but the world may never know…
Although his voice and stuff we can’t be sure that Tobi isn’t actually a girl,right?
I like Itachi’s arrogance. Its not different from Shino’s, Sasuke’s, or Neji’s. All 3 have the ability to fully assess whether or not their enemy will even have a chance at giving them a run for their money. I mean, a clone with only 30% chakra gave Granny, Kakashi, Naruto, and Sakura a run for their money.
Hey, if you look back at the massacre episodes, you’ll notice that there’s not a speck of blood on Itachi. If he did kill his clan, wouldn’t there be some stain of blood somewhere? Plus, in a very weird way, it seems like Itachi cares about Sasuke. To me anyway.
uchiha madara is a cake face and itachi is really a robot with sauages shoved up his nose.
You guys might be over thinking this a bit. I don’t think Kishi put into account how many ANBU members there were or whether or not to put blood on Itachi’s clothes or not.
Yeah but it’s evident Itachi cares about his brother, like he smiles when Naruto says that he sees Sasuke as a brother. He’s probably happy to see that his brother has someone like Naruto.
Idon’t think that Obito is Madara because Madara once fought with the first Hokage and this happened a long time ago. Obito was the same age as Kakashi.
Thanks Yondaime, you scolded foul and unjustified language!
Much appreceated.
From Shino: “Why would an Uchiha Clan member want nearly the entire Uchiha clan killed?” That’s why the conspirasist buff thinks there’s more than just one or two stake-holders in this. What of ROOT and what of Pein in this whole afair. Wouldn’t it be safe to say that Pein simply used the Rinnegan to kill off the Uchiha clan (since the’d be able to stop his plan of global destrucion) and frame Itachi since he would be the only one considered capable of pulling off such a dangerous act? And since Itachi would have nowhere else to go, he’d join the Akatsuki.
ALSO!!! An organization as suposedly tallented as ROOT would be able to recognize and respond to hundreds of people being killed in the night, right? Well why isn’t there any recording of any ANBu being killed? Where were they? And one can only wonder how Donzou lost his limbs and half of his face. :3 Sorry.That was really long! ^_^;;
Many people seem to think that madara could not be alive because he is over one hundred years old, look at orochimaru, does he not have a body transfer justsu that basically lets him live forever, or did before Sasuke came along? Also I strongly am going with the theory of madara being Toby, as for Obito i think they are not the same person. I think the whole world domination effect is what madara is after. That being said, as i stated earlier he thought the Uchihas being the only people to stop him so slaughertered them all, and Itachi fits into this somehow. I do think that Itachi loves his younger brother and has pushed him to become strong for a reason. After all, i may be mistaken on this next part, but did we not see someone referred to as “madara” commanding pein? So we could assume that “madara is pretty badass, excuse my french.
I don’t know if it is theory or actually true in the Naruto world, but isn’t Madara Uchiha the son of a Demon, the Tengu. That would mean that he half-demon and most likely doesn’t age like a normal human making it possible for him to live for over a hundred years.
Great 2-Part blog Bob, I really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work.
Also, whenever someone says that Tobi is Madara I can’t help but look back at when that whole thing started with Tobi telling Pein and Konan to go after Naruto themselves.
From what I read it isn’t that Tobi says he is Madara but rather that “The Sharigan’s True Power…My Power… Uchiha Madara’s Power…” This makes me think that Tobi isn’t Madara but that when all the Jinchuuriki are collected they will be able to release the Sharigan’s purest form, i.e. Madara Uchiha’s Sharigan (the first Uchiha), which Tobi will get.
Perhaps, but all we can do as fans is guesswork for the moment. I cant wait to see what happens later on in the series. But we all know in the end that Minato will be show up and say”Just Kidding about the whole me dying thing guys, i wanted i break. So whats been going on?” Then he will kill every remaining Akatsku member and they will dance and sing in the forest.
newbie
I…agree…with….Minato Kamikaze
Although his voice and stuff we can’t be sure that Tobi isn’t actually a girl,right
Last!
“who would beleive that Madara is alive!”
well lets think back about those shinobies that transfers their body and keep living, lik the guy who Naruto killed his 2 heart with his new jutsu, didnt he fought the First Hockage and that would be over 100 yrs. So maybe Madara has some technique that keeps him live for that long.
Itachi… i had just posted something that basically said what you just said…
Shikumaru, you bring up a good point that i did not notice… He did state he was going to have the power of Uchiha Madara, which makes sense, as seeing that onlly Madara Uchiha had the power to summon the kyubi correct? So Toby is not Madara, but a different individual.
Here again, this is all just guesswork, so let us all look forward to more NARUTO!!!!
Everyone keeps asking why did no one sense the Uhihas’ family murder, well I just thought of something. Weren’t they the police force? They were the ones to sense stuff like that, so whoever did really take them out had to worry about them. People say Anbu should have known, well Anbu is more like the military in my perspective, so they are usually away from the village. they guard the borders, hokage, whatever. All I’m saying is that maybe there wasnt a mass genjutsu involved… The Murderer or murderers, mispells i know, of the Uchiha family might not have had to worry about anyone else involved.
Huzzah for the Kakashi Gaiden update, Bob. Many-many-many thankies, keep it up! 8D
You bring up a valid poing, Shikamaru, but the “purest form of the Sharingan” could also be a set of eyes with six tomes. Bob brought up the tomes in an earlier blog and it’s kinda’ felt like a riddle ever since.
If the Rinnegan is considered more poserful, then why isn’t TOM after Pein’s abilities? Or would a “complete” sharingan surpass even the Rinnegan?
Well it seems that TOM already has Pein under control, so might no need the Rinnegan. Correct if wrong, but is the Rinnegan just for ninjutsus, or all?
Yes all this is guess work… How about we establish some things that we are all almost sure about…
1. Itachi loves Sasuke
If you guys agree we can establish this and then move on to something else we can establish and then we can have a more organized theory about future mangas…
If you think it is a stupid idea then forget I said anything
Shino, very good idea indeed to summarize everything. I do agree that Itachi is not as evil as everyone thinks.
Some additional points/questions:
1. Why do we think that someone FROM Uchiha clan killed everyone? It could have been:
a. Root. Why did Sai was given a mission to assassinate Sasuke? Maybe to finish what was stared when whole clan was killed.
b.Akatsuki. Maybe they wanted to get a hold of Sharingan user, and since Itachi had contacted them they wanted him to join but he refused. So they forced him to, like with Deidara.
2. It is very hard to guess at this point what TOM (Tobi, Obito, Madara) really is. One good point is made by Nine-Tail-Fox stating that Sharingan’s chakra is even more ominous than its own. Maybe this is why Obito was rendered evil and estranged to become Tobi, which strives for Madara power. I guess all we can do is wait for the meeting of the Uchiha brother Itachi and Sasuke to learn more.
3. I have a feeling (it was also pointed out by someone before) that Sasuke is playing some very big role in all this situation. Maybe even being the reason the whole clan was killed. He is of interest to all the parties: Root, Akatsuki, Madara and other unknown ones.
I fully agree that Itachi loves Sasuke.
I think the next step is to establish when Itachi went to the “dark side.”
We know that his attitude changed once he joined ANBU, right? So a couple of questions arise:
1. What role does ROOT play in terms of Itachi joining ANBU?
2. Did Itachi join Akutsuki before or after the Uchiha genocide?
E. Nef — I don’t know if it is authentic but I remember reading that Madara was the son of a Demon, the Tengu, and a Hyuuga woman. And he had special abilities other than the Sharigan because of his half-demon blood… Maybe that is the power Tobi was talking about??
elerium — I like your point about Sasuke and I can’t help but think about him from a Psychological point of view. Him being the brother of a prodigy like Itachi obviously had a huge effect on him even before the Uchiha’s were masecred.
Also, if Itachi wanted Sasuke to become very powerful, enough to kill even himself, why did he never really teach Sasuke anything while they were young. He must have planned on “killing” the clan or at least had sensed it, he could have pointed Sasuke down the right path instead of just leaving an almost unachievable role model to strive to be like.
Well about ‘Root’ wanting to kill Sasuke, it was to destroy Orochimaru’s next vessel and to prevent the destruction of Konoha.. Also, Akatsuki isn’t really interested in Sasuke at all, Pein only said to be careful and not underestimate him and ‘Hebi’, they’re not after him or anything, well besides Deidara..
I just dont think that itachi is what we have been led on to be, at a young age he was in ANBU its been years now training with akatsuki some of the best ninja, i think he is a lot stronger then we are being led to believe and thats why he has been running from fights i dont think after that day he has it in him 2 kill……just a personal theory
Ok so we all believe that itachi is not completely evil, so let’s get something else involved. Why,if Itachi really did kill his family, would he let Sauske live? I’m sure that in all the Uchihas that were killed that there were children killed, so why let Sauske live? Wow, actually after writing that, i do not see anyway that Itachi could have killed Sauske… I mean why let his brother live when he most likely killed all the other Uchiha children, some could have even been newborns… SO WTF?!?!?!?!
Do you guys know why Itachi didn’t fight against the four tails? Was it because he is going blind from using the Mangekyou sharingan too much? I think Itachi could have killed Jiraiya that one time if he directed Amaterasu at him because Jiraiya wouldn’t have known it was coming.
Itachi said something before about how he and Sasuke must exist together even if they hate each other or something along those lines. Also we’re not sure if Itachi killed his entire clan, that’s what this blog is about.
Ya… i know that, but i was just thinking on how there is now way in my mind now… but anyway, I don’t think there is anyway we are going to get further than that theory, because there is no evidence to back up any more theories…. So we will have to wait to find out what happens next…
Why didn’t Itachi fight against the Four-Tails? Didn’t Kisame call dibs on that one? XD Literally?
Also, Itachi was never terribly close with his parents, but he was always close to Sasuke and acted as a good older brother. He probably couldn’t bring himself to kill Sasuke, since he cares for him too much. Also, who else would be more likely to become strong enough to kill him, than his own little brother? AND if Itachi wants to die, who better to avenge their family than Sasuke?
But if seems psychology isn’t going to be terribly effective with Sasuke and Itachi, since they’re so ambiguous with their emotions. Very stoic siblings.
tis is amazing!!!!!!! I would’ve never guassed
I’m sorry I ment THIS not TIS
Yeah you’re right.. We’ll just have to wait and find out. Who knows maybe one of these theories are right on the spot.
Waiting’s the worst part, though! XD
Seriously. It’s gonna’ take at least five updates untill we really get to the “talkies” between Itachi and Sasuke, and that’s an optimistic guess! ^_^;;
Yeah seriously.. We’ll have to wait until the fight between Pein and Jiraiya is over or nearly over until they get to Itachi and Sasuke since the series doesn’t like to jump back and forth. Which isn’t a bad thing at all since this fight is exciting and it’s revealing a bunch of neat story.
Alright so most of us agree that Itachi loves Sasuke so on to #2: TOM was involved in the assassination of the Uchiha clan in some way.
I know it is broad but there are so many theories about this that I think this is the best way to find something we all are almost sure of
Nameless*Itachi is one of the few characters in the Naruverse (my new word) that has accurate assesments on how strong his enemies are. He himself basically told Kisame that the 2 of them were not strong enough to take Jiraiya on. That says alot about Jiraiya. Itachi has Amaretsu, but Jiraiya has a number of jutsus that Itachi hasn’t seen. Lets not forget about the fact that Jirayia is a Toad Sage, learned from Sarutobi (3rd Hokage), is a Sannin, taught the 4th Hokage, and is teaching Naruto. Also, Jiraiya was approached first for the 5th Hokage position in Konoha. He’s the one that recommended Tsunade.
Hey, doesn’t a new episode come out today? Which means it should come out subbed Friday? Which means Chapter 377 should be out either today or tomorrow? NaruSWEET!
I only read 2 paragraphs and agree with you 100% here is my theory:
I had this discussion with my brother. I have always felt that Itachi left Sasuke alive for reasons other than what he told him. So I said this “wouldn’t it be funny if Itachi made Sasuke see his parents and village getting killed using his Mangekyo Sharingan in order to save him or something to that effect.”
Now the reasons is I think this is
1. If Itachi didn’t love his little brother then why is he the only one he kept alive?
2. Itachi has had plenty chances to whoop and or kill Sasuke but he hasn’t
3. Itachi seems to have other things on his mind at the moment instead of waiting for his brother to get strong enough to kill him.
4. If he was really a menace then he would taunt Sasuke every chance he gets.
I don’t know I always felt that there was something else to the story…and now with the introduction of other Uchiha’s out there I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a plot twist to the story…
Glad I am not the only one to think this….
OR: Maybe he is pushing Sasuke to kill him because he feels guilty about what he has done and secretly wants to feel that justice has be dealt. I don’t really think Itachi is a bad guy because other than going after Naruto, talking a lot of ish, and using his Sharingan on Kikashi he really hasn’t done much.
Hey everyone! I’m posting a new blog (if Bob approves it)! Watch out for it.
Hi all, i bet most of you read this theory but check it out once again: http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=106576
In a nutshell:
Uchiha is a clan originated from Hyiuga girl and a demon marriage. The first born, Madara, upon maturity found out that his farther, the demon wanted his body for himself, so he summoned nine tailed fox and with two other MS users sealed the demon. This was the biggest secret of the Uchiha clan who protected it fiercfully. When Itachi, another Uchiha genius was told about this thought that the clan is weak to shield itself from the demon side and decided to release the demon itself. For this feat, like Madare he needed Nine tail fox chakra and two other MS users. For nine tail fox he is in Akatsuki. And one MS user to help him to reseal the demon is Tobi and another he wanted to be his brother. But the only way to make him powerful was to kill the clan and make him strive for vengeance.
This theory has flaws, especially since I tend to think Itachi is not that evil. Maybe his two sides – human and demon are still in a fight. And also this demon bloodline thing is not so strongly stressed in Naruverse.. In any case, lets keep waiting for the answers.
Elerium* I’d read that same theory somewhere too. Like we all say, we have to wait and see… by 2010, we’ll know what PEIN looks like… LMAO!
Hey! i just noticed I’m the guy who wrote commrnt #5000 on this site!
I have never heard that demon theory before, but I have heard that it was one of the Hokages that helped a Hyuga make the Sharigan… I think we can all agree that the uchihas came from the hyguas… I find it hard to believe that a demon was involved though….
hey guys, i just thought of something, sry if this is someone elses theory but ive been gone for 3 days and this blog is full of stuff and i dun feel like reading them. anyways my theory is that TOM/Itachi: TOMI(kinda sounds like tomy) killed the entire uchiha clan cauz they needed some kinda ultimate sacrifice for that sojobo(maybe 6 paths sage)so that that thing can revive as well as needing 3 mangeykyuo sharingan users
and im guessing that sacrifice would be like 5 million gallons of uchiha blood
which would lead to a 15million ton 5 foot tall rinoserus,
Here’s yet another few possible twists, gathered by the link elerium so graciously gave us. Thanks, by the way. ^_^
1) Even though Itachi was being tailed by his supposed “best friend”, who’s to say Shisui wasn’t the one who wanted to activate tha mangekyo. As a stretch, Shisui could have attempted to use the Tsukiyomi on Itachi and failed, due to the alignment of the moon he’d fail. Itachi could promptly kick his ass soon afterwards. Itachi told several other men “not to judge by appearance”, that might not only apply to HIM.
2) The “path” as in the letter could simply be the path of serving the “Uchiha way”. . . OR it could be that the writer couldn’t bring himself to achieve the Mangekyo Sharingan by killing their best friend. It really IS a sucky way to make improvement. . .
Over-all, it seems that something crucial in his knowledge was contradicted and pushed him off the deep-end; the question is: what specifically WAS it?
hehe, I love the Shisui theory of yours, Nef. Opens up a whole set of new doors for our conspiracy theories
So you’re saying Shisui might have been the evil one who was tempted by Madara’s promise of power? Shisui tried killing Itachi to obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan, but Itachi was too cool to be taken down by a third-tier character and beat the crap out of him.
Well, toss your own crazy conspiracy theories out, El Bobito! Just make sure it sounds crazier than all the other theories here!! ;D That’s what makes it fun!!!
I have been thinking for a long time about how Kakashi was able to use MS. He refers to his best friend as Obito but he didn’t kill Obito. In fact Obito may still be alive. I think that since Kakashi has Obito’s eye that since Tobi/Obito can use MS then that was how Kakashi got it. If Tobi is indeed Obito then he could have made and killed his best friend and therefore was able to use MS for both of his eyes and that is how Kakashi is able to use MS.
Another thing… After reading Kakashi Gaiden it seems like Obito was for sure going to die. It says that Rin couldn’t do anything to help him. So I think that either right before he died or whenever that Madara took over his body because he needed a new one… There is almost no doubt in my mind that Tobi is Obito’s body. He has his hair, his eye, and he wears a mask instead of goggles. It seems logical to me, this could also be the reason that Kakashi can perform MS, because obviously Madara can
Yeah but Kakashi got Obito’s eyes when there were only two tomoe(s?) present. Since the eyes are in separate bodies, I don’t think Kakashi would activate the MS just because Madara did. So I think Kakashi activated his another way.
Well, Shino has a point there – i don’t find it particularly difficult to believe that even when the eyes are in different bodies they are still connected. So the development of Kakashis eye can be influenced by that of Obito or Madara inside Obitos reformed body. However, Kakashi mentioned his own efforts to unlock the eye, so he surely did something himself as well.
I quite like the idea that Obito’s body was snatched by Madara (or someone else) just before dying. It would explain the mask and why he is evil now.
Well, the affect of the Mangekyo Sharingan could be activated when death is passed between two friends. If this kind of flaw exists with the Sharingan (activation from a closeness to personal death) then many other theories could come from it as well! For example, Shisui could have been killed by Pein, right in front of Itachi. Since Itachi wouldn’t have been able to save him, it would both shatter his belief in his abilities AND it would probably make him crazy enough to kill his village. With that said, we could also assume that Itachi simply wants the Rinnegan, which is believed to be stronger than the Sharingan. ^_^ Many fun twists can be found!
Sorry. My thesis wasn’t very clear! XD It means that the friends wouldn’t have to do the killing, they just need to be in proximity to each other when they die!
As for TOM. . . Perhaps he’s bi-polar? All evidence points to it being Obito’s body, but Obito was never a blood-thirsty killer that wanted to raise Madara Uchiha’s evil empire. . . This kinda’ leads me to believe that somebody entirely new is possessing Obito’s body, and while Obito’s body was being brought back a piece of HIM came back as well. Meaning: Obito’s stuck sharing his body with some crazy killer (or vise-versa). This would explain the change between the childish voice we normally hear and the satanic raspy voice we get when he’s feeling evil. Also, the whole “renting out bodies” thing has been proven possible by Kabuto and the creepy snake-man-steroids he took! XD
So basically, the newest theory is that if you’re an Uchiha, than you aren’t evil? Because nobody has ever seen an Uchiha actually harm someone or do anything evil at all…
Well except for Sasuke.
Sasuke’s emo, so he doesn’t COUNT! xP
Sure, they might have been good guys, but their egos must have been MASSIVE! No wonder Itachi killed them all! XD
heheh, sweet.
there is a manga out this week:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=naruto%20manga%20377&search_sort=relevance&search_category=0&search=Search&v=&uploaded=w
Shikamru – thanks. But i got a hold of more valuable link. Here are the translations and some pics:
http://www.narutomania.com/forums/naruto-manga/naruto-manga-chapter-377-spoiler-thread-pics-summaries-only-83380.html
Well, the only thing i can say – its getting damn mad in that battle.
shikimaru lol sasukes emo =P so true!!!
it does seem that the uchiha clan arent as evil as i seemed to think i mean sasukes the only real crazy 1 and i think he has pretty good reason hes gotta be on all sorta pills to stop him going manic depressent, so then i guess why was the clan wipped out then?
and another thing to shino, im also sure tobi is in obitos body i mean even the names are basically the same jumble round a few letters and its there!
Im sure Madara was the one who killed of the clan something like this would be a small feat for someone who is powerful enough to summon and control the demon fox. The Mangekyou Sharingan is achieved when you believe yourself to be the cause of death of your best friend which is probably the case of itachi who blames himself for the death of his friend at the hands of Akatsuki because I have no reason to believe that Kakashi killed his bf but probably blames himslf for his death.
chapter 377
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter377.msnw
If Tobi/Mandara is Obito then I don’t get why he was appointed Deidara’s sidekick-thing in the earlier manga chapters
and he seemed so vulnerable…so new and stuff
lol
TOM could act like a complete dunce for a whole BUNCH of reasons! ^_^;; I personally thinks he’s bi-polar, so his acting childish could just be one of his sides. OR he doesn’t enjoy being the authoritarian of the organization and prefers field work, so he acts like kid so he can go out on missions.
I think we all should take into account that Kakashi has had to learn and develop his sharigan by himslef, without the help of anyone. With that in mind I think it is very possible that he unlocked MSharingan differently than Itachi. Also, it is made very clear that the Sharingan takes a lot out of Kakashi because he isn’t an Uchiha.
Pretty much I think Sasuke is an idiot for leaving Konoha to train with Orochimaru because Kakashi could have made him badass as well.
My theory about the MSharingan is that you need to have a deep sense of pain such as the feeling of killing your best friend. Kakashi has experienced the deep pain of losing comrades (remember how he was kicking around the grave place?). This, I believe, is related to that which Nagato had to go through hence the name Pain or Pein or whatever. It plays off the fact that in order for him to gain the power he has to be in pain to the point where he goes crazy.
And since Itachi has been crazy he can’t turn off the Sharingan.
i still dont y tobi acts so stupid when he fights
no, im thinking sasuke will still kill itachi since he killed his parents and plus sasuke eyes are like madara in that one manga chapter the nine tail told him that. some other ppl like orochimaru said his eye were keyer then itachi so that already proves that sasuke is stronger then itachi adn he is probably thr one going to kill madara too
when you said :”Itachi couldn’t be by his brother’s side because he needed to stay close to TOM.” itachi never knew he was in akatsuki, only pain and konan knew. enery one else just thought tobi was a goof who follows zetsu.
i think tboi is really Madara becuse one madara eyes had the byogogan becuse the sharengan was created from the byogogan i think obita is really dead
i mean obito
Ok I posted this on the other one ’cause I didn’t find this post until now…
Ok, I am a big fan of the bad guys turning out to not be so bad after all. Sesshomaru, Gaara, Snape…. all of them are my favorite characters for their show/movie. Add to that I have always loved them since first introduced in their respective shows, and have known they would not be all bad. I got the same feeling about Itachi from the very beginning. I have been waiting all this time to see his goodness come out.
Ok, someone mentioned the Akatsuki’s initiations as being the reason Itachi killed everyone. However, I do not think that is the case. After all, Deidara did not come to them. They recruited him. He couldn’t even beat Itachi after all, yet he was still a valued member of their organization.
I agree completely that Itachi did not kill his entire clan. If that was a measure of his worth then why didn’t he just kill all of the Akatsuki to prove his worth as well? After all, he could easily overcome Diedara and Orichimaru. They both said as much.
I agree that there was a lot of mind control going on and Sasuke just showed up at the wrong time. I believe Itachi was protecting him when he told him he had done it and to hate him and come after him. By making him hate him, he was insuring that Sasuke would become strong instead of spending his life in sorrow and not focusing on his training, like someone else said.
This way he becomes a strong ninja. I also think he DID have something to do with it all, though. There is no way he can be completely innocent. I think, though, to keep in good regard with the organization he has to be ruthless at times. He might not be completely being controlled, but he is not blameless. I think, in the end, he will give his life for the Konaha after all. I think it will be his final glorious sacrafice. Then he will be hailed as a hero and given a hero’s funeral and Sasuke will go back to the village and be proud to have had him as a brother.
Just had a thought (inspired by you comment Gaara), what if someone else like Akatsuki murdered the Uchihas to recruit Itachi and when Sasuke was coming home Itachi put him in a genjutsu to save his life. Remember, Itachi was sitting on top of the “telephone” pole when Sasuke first entered the clan’s living area and he could have genjutsued Sasuke then which would have pretty much immoblilized Sasuke so he wouldn’t get in the way of the ones who really killed everyone. Itachi, being a good guy at heart, could have realized that the only way he could ever seek redemption, or rather rescue from his situation, was through his brother.
here’s a thought… maybe Itachi has to keep the sharingan on at all times to keep his gard up against his real enemy.
Also, the lines under the eyes makes me think he doesn’t sleep much although Kishimoto has always drawn him that way.
I think having the Sharingan on all the time is just a sign that Itachi
A) can’t see well because of using it so has to keep it on at all times to see.
B) is a seasoned Sharingan user, in that he is comfortable with it always on (like Kakashi who has it on all the time but covers it up).
C) is constantly excersizing it to keep in shape since it does strain his body.
D) or what you said siskin, which i think is a good theory.
for everybody who don’t understand pay attetion. there is know solid details wheater obito is tobi, or if it is really a girl. One fact is that it does mater the age. he could be using the same forrbidden justsu as Orichimaru, giving he/or she immortality.Another fact is that defeating the whole uchia ploice spaud and some of the ambu,wuld be impossible for one person. if he was already apart of the akatsukia and had help by maddara. so this is for all those who have know clue what there are talking about.
Well, I think the answer to questions about Itachi is the reason Pain listens to Tobi. Clearly they have some other plans than Pain tells Akatsuki – thats why Tobi is playing an idiot. After looking at Jiraiya’s battle with Pain it seems that Pain could be capable of killing the whole Uchiha clan – so the connection and plans between the two is key to solve this.
Tobi’s goal, as he put it to Pain is to “unleash a true power of sharingan” – maybe the idea of killing the whole clan was to see who is capable of surviving, and by this knowing which ones have to be chosen for something we don’t know yet.
The idea that Itachi is not switching off his sharingan because he doesn’t know his true enemy is fabulous – well done Siskin. Maybe one of the reasons he is in Akatsuki to protect himself?
Let’s see how Jiraiya’s battle turns out, I bet we will know much more after that.
“B) is a seasoned Sharingan user, in that he is comfortable with it always on (like Kakashi who has it on all the time but covers it up).”
I think Kakshi is stuck with it on because he can’t turn it off. He can send more power to if be getting the three … tomos? I forget what they’re called. because didn’t obito only have 2? So he can turn it up but he can’t turn it off.
About the Orochimaru shifting thing… I thought that maybe Orochimaru either got the idea from Madara or was inspired by Madara using it. Remember how Orochimaru had to deal with his host body rejecting him? Well… I think Madara’s body rejects him to the point that the other person has some autonomy at times. That’s why Tobi is so much different then Madara. It’s not because Madara is acting, it’s because Madara loses control.
I wonder if when the 1st beat Madara… I wonder if he had to switch bodies using the sharingan because it forces the users chakra into the targets body.
Maybe it really all relates to industrialism and imperialism because the 1st could plant trees and he was a real green thumb and Madara, who I’m assuming was his best friend because Naruverse history tends to repeat itself… and Madara is like the industrialist err something… The Kyuubi is a symbol for the atomic bomb and why can’t we just work things out… Talk it out itachi… talk it out.
Forgive me bob for I have rambled.
i think that itachi will try to explain to him whats goin on but sasuke wont here it i think yeah originally itachis plan was to team up with him but sasuke is blinded by rage you know sasuke is powerful do to rage,the power of a sanin,sasuke will kill him and finally be reviled the ultimate truth itachi didnt kill his village…..i have told you this now tell everything about tobi and i will tell you anything you wanna know. someone said tobi was fighting jiraya tell methe outcome
lajiesmith@yahoo.com i can answer your questions
just dont questionmeit pisses me off i hate when people ask but then get mad at the answer so if your not ready for the truth dont bother
Itachi is the end of the Uchiha clan
But if he reallly murdered his clan how come he let Kakashi live?
Simply because Kakashi isn’t part of the Uchiha clan and is a few years older than Itachi, so he wasn’t anywhere near the village durring the massacare, anyways.
But, Itachi almost killed Kakashi with Tsukoyomi
Ah. I didn’t know what occasion you were speaking of. The probably reason for him letting Kakashi live is because he didn’t want the Anbu to have another reason to trail after him. There’s a number of possibilities.
Well I’ll tell u only one thing …. We cant wait to see the comin’ up
I like your theory very much… About the “grand plan” of Madara you were talking, I read somewhere(don’t know if it’s true) that Madara had sealed his father with a seal, that can be released only with three Mangekyou users that use the three Mangekyou jutsus at the same time… I will repeat my self, I don’t really know if this is true, but if it is, I think that there can be something behind it…
guys , nice theories.. and nice work Bob (As always!)
and yes B- Lo , thats true about Madara i think ..
its maybe not true but anyhows.. And Madara is a good guy because he didnt want his Father to be in the world because he was evil .. its so many theories, but all we can do it wait and see whats happens ..
but i have heard many theories about pein and some histories of him ..
Like this: Itachi wants 3 MS users to unseal the Tengu Demon (Madaras father) because he wants to do anything to get a super true power in the world and he will sacrifice his body for him just to have that power .. or something
but Peins true identity looks like Shizune the girl who’s with Tsunade .. if you look at Pein when Jiraiya trains him, he looks like Shizune, and he werent old when Jiraiya did that , and Shizune is not old so?
Shizune is the neice of the guy Dan who Tsunade was in love with.
Anaujiram, first of all, Nagato was a boy
….. and she has no connection with the the Amegakure ( unlike nagato) …… and my opinion, is also ,that Madara needs three MS users to get the Tengu………..than he won’t just let Itachi die…..OR he could focus his attention to Kakashi…..but i think that all the MS users need to be of pure Uchiha blood.
nah thats not how it goes might! i rekon it depends on gettin his eye off kakashi back!..so yeah dun know how he gets it!
yes, i do agree with you bob, itachi, as being described in the earlier chapters to be genius but silent…there are a lot of questions arose, 1) how did madara and itachi murdered the clan without allowing the people in konoha to know it? 2)Knowing that itachi was an expert in genjutsu, how true it was, that sasuke perceived was real? or a complete illusion? 3)According to itachi, his purpose was the eyes of sasuke, why was it he decided to get it only when he knew he had already a difficulty to achieve it?4) If it is true, in order to gain EMS is to get MS eyes, why did itachi choose to fight sasuke knowing he has no MS at the moment? 5) If it is true that madara, to gain his EMS was to get the eyes of his brother, knowing both has nearly of equal capabilities, why was it madara, got it so easily?
hope you shed your insights on my querries, bob?
ok heres is my theory about this because what i have readed about Madara and Itachi … Madara sealed his father (the tengu demon) because he didnt want to get killed or have that SUPER STRONGmassive ruler in the world , and thats why he summoned the kyuubi to ask him to give him some powers , and the kyuubi did , so madara mastered every fire technique and got more chakra and such like that but, he never had the ability to beat his father so he sealed him , with 2 other ms users .. ( 3 together with madara)
and Itachi have been power hungry all his life , like it seems .. And then he wants to get 2 other ms users to help him unseal the demon and give the demon his body , like a sacrifice to show the world REAL power , or something .. thats my theory and much of it i have readed in some histories about itachi and madara , but the histories is maybe not true but thats what i think .. so thats why i think Itachi told Sasuke about the uchiha secret and to hate Itachi so much and such like that, and then when he had it he would make sasuke help him realese the demon .. or something like that, thats my theory ^^
Wow…. u really did ur research and it make perfect sense GREAT JOB Bob GREAT JOB cant wait 2 see what else u got in store for us
gain ur right
Leave your response!
You must be logged in to post a comment.
Login / Register
Recent Posts
Recent Comments
Pages
Blogroll
Archives
Most Commented