Naruto Manga chapter 374 - Crayfishs, Chameleons and Toads

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October 13th, 2007 · 204 Comments

Post Author: Bob

The battle has begun: Jiraiya and Pein face off in the epic battle between teacher and former student. And as with all epic battles in Naruto, Summons are the the name of the game. I think this fight will be at least Kage level if not higher, so don’t even bother showing up without a Summon or you’ll be laughed out the door

It is Pein (Nagato) who opens up with the first strike and summons what looks to me like a crayfish. When I saw it I had the same feeling I got when I saw Tsunade’s slug summon; it’s not exactly the most fearsome creature one would imagine a so called “god” would summon - more like something you would serve with a side of butter dip, lol. But then again, I think Pein summoned his crayfish more to help Konan than to attack Jiraiya. The spray of bubbles it fired were used to wash the oil off Konan and allow her to escape to a safe distance. Using the bubbles as a cover, the Crayfish attempted to launch a sneak attack on Jiraiya but was no match for his crazy hair attack.

Despite how ruthless and murderous Pein has been portrayed in the past chapters, he does at least seem to have some compassion for his teammates. Pein seemed to appreciate Deidara’s sacrifice when he died and even told the other Akatsuki members to pay their respects. Note that his very first move in this fight was to free Konan so she can get out of harm’s way. Pein (Nagato) chose to save his partner before pursing his goal - this from the guy who murdered countless people including women and children just to gain absolute control in Amegakure. Why is he so careful not to let Konan get hurt? My guess is either they are lovers… or more likely they are siblings.

Any doubt about Pein not being Nagato can be cleared up by now. Note that the hand seal young Nagato was shown using last chapter and the ones Pein uses to perform jutsus are identical. However, I also noticed that although Pein seems to specialize in Water type jutsus/summons, Nagato was seen using a Wind based jutsu in chapter 373. Who appeared to be the Water element type in the group? Yahiko. Yet when Jiraiya asks about Yahiko, Pein responds that he had been dead for a long time now. This remark caused some new theories to bubble to the top of my head: perhaps Pein/Nagato has specialized in water jutsus as a way to honor Yahiko? Could Pein have used his special ability to use Yahiko as one of his bodies (ie. the first one)? Could it be that Yahiko’s death pushed Nagato over the edge and caused him to become what he is today?

After hearing Pein’s own words explaining his plans and motives, it is clear that the guy has completely perverted what Jiraiya had taught him those many years ago. Pein’s status as a “god” wasn’t just crowned on him by the people of the Rain village; this guy seriously thinks he is a “god” and wants everyone else to see him as such. In some twisted sense, Nagato has achieved Jiraiya’s advise to “grow up.” And as a “god”, he believes he can do anything and naturally anything he does is just and right.

Pein finally reveals his ultimate plan for sealing the tailed beasts. He plans to use the power of the beasts to create a forbidden jutsu capable of wiping out an entire city in seconds (ninja atomic bomb attack?). Ironically, Pein’s reason for the creation of the weapon is to stop wars and create peace. More surprisingly, Pein plans on giving the new weapon to warring nations with the full knowledge that they will eventually use them. After millions of people have died, Pein claims that the survivors will know what true pain is and will never wage war again. Pein reasons that it is his role to bring pain to the world in order to help it grow faster, much like how pain aided him in his own growth.

Tired of hearing Pein’s words, Jiraiya attempts to kill Pein but only manages to crush a replacement clone. The real Pein is still up above and has summoned something more fitting for him: a Chameleon. But I guess I should have seen this coming since that’s the first creature I thought of when I saw those ripple patterns in the Rinnegan. This chameleon is kinda weird too, having a snake for a tail, a single giant horn on its head (the other snapped off) and what appears to be a pair of diminutive wings. I can only guess what powers a chameleon might have but they generally have hard skin, a camouflage ability and are resistant to heat. Jiraiya’s fire based jutsus would probably be ineffective against it (also a bad match against Pein’s water jutsus).

In my books, Jiraiya is the king of summons; he seems to have a toad for every situations. Not to be out played a a former student, he summons a new type of frog we haven’t seen before: Gamakensan. This toad has small horn like protrusions on his head and wears a traditional cloth shirt common for feudal era Japan. His weapons are unsual too; on one hand he has a shield (which was not commonly used in Japan) and the other hand holds a spiked trident like weapon (I can’t find the right name for it). The trident is more of a defensive weapon used by feudal era Japanese police to restrain and pin targets. Based on the types of weapons, it would seem that Gamakensan is more a defense-based toad than anything else. But why is Jiraiya going into a defensive position so early in the battle? Why not summon someone like Gamabunta to finish Pein off fast? It could be that Jiraiya wants to take in Pein alive, but Jiraiya should realized by now that Pein won’t go down without an all out attack. Or could it be Jiraiya still cares for his former students or feels guilty for having abandoned them that he is unable to bring himself to use his full strength against them yet.

In a way, this battle reminds me of the one between Orochimaru and Sarutobi. There seems to be a theme going on of former students coming back to try to kill their teachers. And also like the Orochimaru/Sarutobi battle, I doubt neither Jiraiya nor Pein have even began using their full powers yet. Like in all his great battles, Kishi reserves the best jutsus for the end. This is gonna be an awesome fight.

Tags: Naruto manga · Naruto theories

204 responses so far ↓

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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 11:42 am

Very good as usual, Bob!
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 11:43 am

I wonder what shampoo Jiraiya uses?
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 11:44 am

“Why is he so careful not to let Konan get hurt? My guess is either they are loversâ€¦ or more likely they are siblings.”
Or more likely it’s the first.
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 11:47 am

As for paragraph 4 my guess is Pain’s rinnegan allow him to exploit all elements not just one or two as most people
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 11:55 am

Since we don’t know Gamakensan’s abilities we can’t be sure Jiraiya’ going into defensive mode.but even if he is then he’s probably trying to find out more about what happened after he left.
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 11:59 am

Overall not much info was given this chapter. I excpected more actually.
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lackadaisical ninja (Rookie)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 12:00 pm

im wondering what jaraiya has taught naruto cause so far naruto hasn’t shown any new techniques that resemble anything jaraiya uses. if this goes down like the orochimaru/sarutobi fight im seeing jaraiya die =(
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lackadaisical ninja (Rookie)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 12:04 pm

yeah i think jaraiya is trying to get more info so he is trying to stretch the fight out. i think j-sama might be right on nagato being able to use all elements because of his eyes.
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 12:06 pm

Thank you. Finally someone appreciates me.
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nine tailed hokage (Chunin Squad Leader)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 12:08 pm

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nine tailed hokage (Chunin Squad Leader)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 12:08 pm

i felt stupid im sorry
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master chief (Newbie)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 12:10 pm

whats up im a newbie
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master chief (Newbie)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 12:13 pm

hi
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 12:51 pm

â€œWhy is he so careful not to let Konan get hurt? My guess is either they are loversâ€¦ or more likely they are siblings.â€ I can’t help but doubt that there’s a relationship between the two of them… They seem to stoic for that. But what would I know? And I also agree with J-Sama, Pein must be able to use the six different chakara elements, but thus far we’ve only seen two…
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 12:52 pm

Oh, and hello master chief! Welcome to Narutards Anonymous! ^__^
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 1:14 pm

Narutards Anonymous??!!! You make it sound like it’s a disease.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 1:18 pm

More like an addiction! ;D
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 1:26 pm

I have another theory why pain can use water and wind elements.
Remember how Kakuzu could use the hearts he stole from other people to manipulate the different elements? Maybe Pain can do the same using other people’s bodies.
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 2:40 pm

This chapter was awesome, Jiraiya’s hair techniques keeps getting crazier and crazier. Oh and I think someone asked about when Sasuke was about to use his trump card technique, it was when he first appeared before Naruto after the 2 1/2 years. He was about to use it when Orochimaru stopped him and said not to use ‘that’ technique. It’s surely a powerful technique if he was going to use it to destroy Naruto, Sakura, Sai and Yamato..
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 2:48 pm

Yup, I remember that too:
http://www.narutohurricane.com/naruto_v34_c309.html
Sasuke’s actions are at times hard to understand. He has no problems trying to kill his ‘former’ friends, but when he was fighting those ninja henchmen Orochimaru sent against him or when he was fighting all the cursed seal inmates at the northern hideout, he wouldn’t allow himself or Suigetsu to kill any of them.
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 3:09 pm

“Narutards Anonymous??!!! You make it sound like itâ€™s a disease.”

It’s an Epidemic! By visiting to this blog, you may have already contracted the disease. Symptoms include insatiable urge to submit comments, delusions of being a ninja and explosive diarrhea (sorry, just had to include that one ). If you’ve experienced any of these symptoms, please turn yourself in to your local health authorities and report that you may have contracted Narutarditis.
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FoeReal (Newbie)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 3:35 pm

What an interesting plan to bring about peace.

Hard to tell the outcome of this one, seeing as how we know little about the combatants…well we know *some* of Jiraiya’s moves but we haven’t seen him go all-out yet.

And Pain…well we know he has crazy eyes, a nice summoning arsenal (so far), and the ability to control rain.

Pretty ineresting so far, I’m itching to know what else this so-called “God” can do. This is going to be one hell of a brawl.

Although I bet they’re going to switch back to Naruto and/or Sasuke next week; They’ve left them alone for quite awhile now.

btw, Kudo’s to you Bob. I love this site.
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lackadaisical ninja (Rookie)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 3:52 pm

this site is an addiction. i think im on here more than myspace lol hahahha
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 5:28 pm

Sasuke only wants to kill those that might get in the way of his revenge. He probably still has a bond with Naruto and Sakura despite how weak it’s become and sees them as a threat to his revenge.
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Nine (Caption Contest Winner)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 5:48 pm

Oh cool a chameleon and a new frog!!!
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Kakashi for Hokage (Newbie)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 6:20 pm

This goes to someone who commented about Naruto’s training with Jariyia… I think we haven’t really seen what Naruto can really do I think he was training Naruto to have a face off with the leader of the Akatsuki just in case he couldn’t defeat them. That is one of the reasons he broke part of the seal…. So we will just have to see what is going to happen next but i can’t wait. I also think this is going to be an Oorichimaru and Saratubi fight all over again and I think Tsunade go come to aide her old teamate but it will be too late.. To save him
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:15 pm

ya im pretty surre jiraiya mite die and in this way: he is trying to learn more about pein so as to be in the defensive side, then the battle gets to close for comfort so hes forced to go into fighting position, finally we come to the climax of the battle and jrayai is slowly losing, so he trys to escape with some frog to help him but the rinnengan stops it and it turns on jirayai and he dies eventually…dunno make watever u like out of it.

also “explosive diarreah” ahahah! lmfao! that was like rly random
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:20 pm

oh i hope i no copy anybodys theories ima check
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:22 pm

Christ Bob, where do you get all your jokes?! XD
Anyhoo-doodle, this fight seems kinda’ fitting, do you think? Jiraiya, who refuses to really grow up versus his student, who grew up too fast.
And I agree with the varriation of elements with each body theory. I recall that sometime before the fight, Pein, I think, commented that the body he’s currently using is the best for “search-and-destroy-missions”. That’s probably why he has so many over powered summons up his massive sleeves!
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:24 pm

yes i no copy! say anyone wondering about why that cameleon has wat look like peircing in its own horns? maybe pain just does it to everything(maybe thats why he calls himself pain, that would hirt alot to have half inch think peices of metal all through ur face)
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:25 pm

“Explosive diarrhea” was taken from South Park. Poor Kenny, what a way to go…:(
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:27 pm

The Chamelion’s tai-horn-thingl has those weird spikey bits to ‘em… Do they kinda’ look like Pein’s current piercings, or is it just me? o_O;;
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:29 pm

I’m thinking Jiraiya will probably beat this first body of Pein’s. It wouldn’t be a good fight if Jiraiya got taken out in the first round when there’s still fice more bodies to go, right? Plus, Jiraiya’s the Man when it comes to summons, he’s got a reputation to keep.
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:30 pm

Good thing you’re here Nef and Shoe, I’m just about to give this blog a theme makeover.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:32 pm

True. True. The J-mastah isn’t gonna’ to go down just yet… Konan is still there, though, so she could probably provide a great-escape plan for Pein if need be. But they wouldn’t leave Jiraiya to waltz about Amegakure, so he’d probably have to haul himself back to Konoha…
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:32 pm

Bob, the site is having a seizure. What’s going on? O___O!?
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:52 pm

Cool cool. Avatars online again.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:53 pm

Last thing before I crash for the day (I just got back from the home-coming dance so I’m burnt out). If you need some filler for the blog, Bob, I have a new Kanji sheet if you need it. Just throw me an email! ^_^
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:53 pm

wat the!?! something happened to the site or is it just the makeover u said u were gonna do?

*sight trembling and yellow spit comin out of it(seizure)* lol
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:56 pm

yeah that’d be awesome Nef!
I really have trouble coming up with new material in the dry spells between manga chapters
**hint**hint** Need more contributors. *eyes yourshoe*
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 7:57 pm

Lol, Maybe I should stop doing that. I think I scared away some ppl last time
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Kakashi for Hokage (Newbie)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 8:20 pm

Bob i know this is a little off topic but when is the character stats page going to be updated
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 8:26 pm

sry i maybe smart but i slack off alot so i wouldnt be a very good contributor. wait a second whos shoe am i yours or ermm who is your or maybe you, wait wat?
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 8:31 pm

“Bob i know this is a little off topic but when is the character stats page going to be updated”

When there are 36 hours in a day. Sorry man, but this is a one-man show and I can only cover so many things at once.
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 13, 2007 at 9:03 pm

On the bright side I did update Kurenai’s profile today:
http://www.narutohurricane.com/character-bios/leaf-kurenai-yuhi.shtml
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 1:23 am

Bob, I hate this makeover! The previous look was better.
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 1:27 am

And Bob, if you really are “running a one man show” you should really ask someone for help (but not me cuz I’m lazy).
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Sakumo Hatake (Newbie)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 6:37 am

I’m diggin the new look. I don’t think that Jiraiya is going to die now. You have alot of different theories to play with on this one. For one, as stated above, we’ve never seen the J-ster fight at full, or even half power for that matter. I believe he said he was only at 30% when the Sannin Showdown occurred. Also, even though Jiraiya is there alone, Tsunade does know where he is. Not only does she know, but she also has expressed her concern for him going there alone. So, now lies the possibility of either her coming to help, or her sending some of Konoha’s elite Jonin to help. Lets not forget that Konoha has excellent Jonin that have not been seen in the series except for during Orochimaru’s invasion.
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scrubby (Team Shannaro!!)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 7:47 am

To think Jariaya is going to die this soon is not going to happen what you will find out is that the pein that’s battling Jariaya is not the real Pein just one of the many body’s he has at his disposal.
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somersaultclouds (Rookie)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 7:53 am

Hello. Yup, I second (Mr.)J-sama’s theory of Jiraiya summoning a defensive frog to juice out more info regarding Akatsuki.
Hmmm…there was this picture(i think it was in this site) of Naruto sitting on the head of an unknown frog-entity, I was thinking maybe the frog is Gamakichi now grown bigger in size which I suppose could be Naruto’s personal summon…maybe this is one of his learned jutsus in training. But remember the frog with the seal Jiraiya summoned before fighting Pein? Is it possible that the frog was Gamakichi whom the key was entrusted to? well, i hope naruto would summon his own frogs or a new set of creatures. haha.
Yup, Ms.Nefarious. It could be that Jiraiya is fighting Pein to get more information but will eventually leave for reinforcements. But between lovers and siblings….I am betting on lovers. Siblings don’t get too mushy on each other…or so i thought.
Hey Mr. Bob…you’re doing great!

ok. I have to go.
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 8:34 am

Hmmm… I was wondering about Gamakichi, too. I bet he’s now some humongous frog almost as big as Gamabunta.
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FoeReal (Newbie)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 9:56 am

I’d say Gamakichi is probably as tall as Gama, but I’m wondering if he’s learned anything during the time skip, I don’t remember him doing much but hiding during a fight.

We won’t know for sure until Naruto summons him.

From Somersaultclouds: “between lovers and siblingsâ€¦.I am betting on lovers. Siblings donâ€™t get too mushy on each otherâ€¦or so i thought.”

They could be both; It’s called incest. Although I’m hoping not lol
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 10:17 am

If it’s both that’d proove that Pain’s insane
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 10:20 am

Lol, he thinks he is a “god” so he can do whatever he wants.
Nice avatar by the way FoeReal
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 10:23 am

Yeah but I wonder what their kids would look like (puke)
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 10:24 am

You guys must be talking about this pic, it was the cover for one of the manga chapters
http://www.narutohurricane.com/narutoblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/naruto-toad.jpg
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 10:26 am

They’d be like little Emo brats running around with little piercings on their faces and waving weird paper animals around LOLOLOL
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 10:27 am

Wow it seems that out of 17 people who are naruto fans 6 are girls and 11 are boys> I didn’t expect so many girls. It seems I was wrong to think girls don’t like animes and mangas.
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 10:29 am

That pic is definetly Gamakichi.
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 10:32 am

No doubt. But why hasn’t Naruto summoned him yet the previous fights. That would have been so Cool!
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cursed seal chidori (Newbie)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 10:56 am

so thats wat the name of the toad is. gamakensan.
i wonder wat their power is
god we are ssssssssoooooooooooo far into the story an its getting ssssoooo good
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 11:35 am

It was Volter who said: “personal opinion has caused more damage to this planet than earthquakes and the plague.” Does that make us evil?
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ShikamaruIsTheMan (Rebel Shinobi Leader)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 1:13 pm

I think the reason why naruto hasn’t summoned a toad yet since the 2.5 year break is because like Jiryia, who only really summons the big frogs when the one he is fighting made a summon already.

One thing to keep in mind is that the summoner and the summonee aren’t always on the same page (example: Orochimaru/Sasuke and the huge snake that requires sacrafices), this would lead me to believe that Naruto/Jiryia and even Tsunade don’t over-use the summoning technique because they don’t see them as mere weapons but as companions and friends.
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ShikamaruIsTheMan (Rebel Shinobi Leader)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 1:15 pm

Also I was thinking that Jiryia didn’t summon Gamabunta (not sure on the spelling but the one that seems to be the patriarch of all the toads/frogs) in case Naruto needs him and I think its safe to assume that even Gamabunta can’t be in two places at once.

Just a thought
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 1:28 pm

I think Jiraiya didn’t summon Gamabunta because the frog boss is not suited for this kind of battle.
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zep ()
// Oct 14, 2007 at 1:39 pm

WOW! I have alot to catch up on.

Oh, the site looks good man, i like it.
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zep ()
// Oct 14, 2007 at 1:40 pm

hello.
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Nine (Caption Contest Winner)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 2:00 pm

Hay im a girl and i like anime and manga! Almost all my friends do!
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lackadaisical ninja (Rookie)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 2:57 pm

yeah i know a lot of women who like anime… i was as shocked as j-sama
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lackadaisical ninja (Rookie)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 3:00 pm

if pien’s eyes give him the ability to transfer into other bodies, wouldnt that make him immortal? even if they kill his 5 bodies he could just transfer his soul into another body right??
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zep ()
// Oct 14, 2007 at 3:43 pm

hello, why aren’t my post showing up?
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 3:43 pm

;D You’d be shocked with how many girls there are on the site, J-Sama! I have to abduct another school scanner to get the next Kanji Page to ya’ Bob. Kinda’ infuriating.
Jirayia doesn’t seem to be taking the fight all that seriously thus far. But now he has all the information he really needs (Pein’s motive and means of achieving that motive), so the best thing to do now is get the hell out of there!
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 4:07 pm

Hmmm…lots of thoughts on this…
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 4:08 pm

But first thing first…Naruto isn’t a jitsu dude…he just fights. All out and quick…that’s all he knows.
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 4:10 pm

Another thing is Jirayia isn’t stupid and he doesn’t finish folks off like that. I am sure he will survive and if he doesn’t I am sure he will escape to tell the tell and than die. But I hope he lives he’s the shit!
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 4:11 pm

Pein and Konan could just be close friends…and I couldn’t see them as brother and sister.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 4:33 pm

Well, Pien/Nagato and Konan do kinda’ look alike as kids. Their dark hair and faces are pretty close looking, but Konan doesn’t have the Rinnegan, so that makes it less probable…
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FoeReal (Newbie)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 4:51 pm

Very true, Nef. That’s a good point

The outcome of this battle is pretty hazy. Well hey, let’s remember that Konan is there too. Even though I’m itching to see what these two can do, I hope Konan also plays a part in this battle either in the middle or the end.

I mean come on, they just let her out of the closet and all we’ve seen her do so far turn into sheets of paper.

Even though Jiraiya is one of the funnier and stronger characters in ‘Naruto’, I have a strong feeling he’s going to die; but definatly not without kicking some “Godly” ass before then.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 5:01 pm

Jiraiya seems to be too important of a character to die in THIS fight. There might be a round two that he get’s killed in, but I dunno’ if it’s this one. But what can Konan seriously DO? She’s made of post-it notes!
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Nine (Caption Contest Winner)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 5:12 pm

My god Pien is so full of himself! Its true what can Konan seriously do! She can probebley be like a spy or something? If she hears a secret or something important she’ll just write it down on one of her posty-notes!
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 5:16 pm

But she’s MADE of post-it notes.. So she’s write it down on her FACE.. Or liver… That’d be weird…
And I’m gonna’ keep bothering people until somebody donates a blog entry. So submit something already!
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 5:38 pm

“;D Youâ€™d be shocked with how many girls there are on the site, J-Sama! ”

I think there’s no doubt that there are more male than female visitors to this blog, but a higher percentage of girls tend to comment more.
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FoeReal (Newbie)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 5:39 pm

I also have a strong feeling we’re going to get hit with a cliff hanger for awhile. We’ll probably be switching back to Naruto and Sasuke for a month or so.

Also, Konan has to have more up her sleeve, she is Akatsuki after all. I think Zetsu suits the role of a “Spy” better then her anyway.

And let’s not forget the acute stings of a paper cut.
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 5:39 pm

“And Iâ€™m gonnaâ€™ keep bothering people until somebody donates a blog entry. So submit something already!”

Lol, you really are like the blog enforcer
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 5:53 pm

“Also, Konan has to have more up her sleeve”

Kishi has done a bad job of developing strong female characters in the past and it looks to me like he’s gonna push Konan to the sidelines; I don’t see much room for her in this battle.
The exceptions to this rule are Temari and Sakura in part 2.
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 7:54 pm

i once said “I wonder if Konan has an actually useful jutsu besides being a scouter and launching paper airplanes cauzâ€™ she got owned by Jiraiya” I wonder if she ever will do anything? and rly any ninja could be more dangerous than a girl who launches paper airplanes.
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uchiha master (Newbie)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 9:25 pm

like that one guy said this is really starting to look like orochi vs sarutobi… i think jiraiyas gonna die..
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jeff (Newbie)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 9:52 pm

hi there..im really impressed with you guys..discussing naruto in a very high level manner…jejeje..
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jeff (Newbie)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 9:53 pm

hus kishi??
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 14, 2007 at 10:36 pm

I think Konan’s powers are similar to Deidara’s, only she uses paer instead of clay(and she doesn’t eat it).Imagine a huge origami dinosaur that explodes!!!
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Nine (Caption Contest Winner)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 2:33 am

That be awsome!!!
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Sakumo Hatake (Newbie)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 2:58 am

Okay, as far as this fight is concerned, I think Konan will do 1 of 3 things. 1 she may sit back because she still has feelings for her sensei, 2 she won’t interfere until the opportune moment, or 3 she knew she would be outmatched so she will decide to see what Pein can do.

Another thing, this Pein character seems too full of himself to be able to defeat Jiraiya. Also, if he is a “God”, why would he need Kyuubi or Akatsuki in order to fulfill his goals? Wouldn’t he be able to accomplish these goals on his own?

What if there’s something within the Byakugan or Sharingan eye techniques that could cancel out the Rinnegan. Kinda like that little kid Renmaru that cancelled out the abilities of Neji’s Byakugan during the battle with Raiga.
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J-sama (Primera Espada)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 4:15 am

I think 3 is the best choice
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somersaultclouds (Rookie)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 4:44 am

trying my avatar.
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ANBU LEADER P (Jonin)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 4:56 am

WOW da site looks COOL bob like da new look…
yea i think jiraiya isnt trying yet but wen he does dis is gana one great shinobi fight
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somersaultclouds (Rookie)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 5:16 am

Hey Mr.FoeReal, i thought Naruto is a GP/PG wholesome anime…no incest ideas..hehehe…oh..what is incest?

Yup, that’s the picture Mr.Bob. Gamakichi even acquired Gamabunta’s tobacco habit….i hope he spits oil too.

Hey Mr.Shoe, I am thinking if Konan’s paper jutsu is a wood element type? hhmmm…paper can cut…big paper could cut big…

Mr.J-sama, maybe it causes evil…when man began to gain knowledge,he started to exploit natural resources…so i think Volter(or was it Voltaire?) is quite right.

I enjoy Enma, the 3rd Hokage’s summon…he was based from SunWuKong (SunGoKu) the monkey in the Chinese Classic story “Journey to the West”. In Naruto, Enma can transform into a cudgel…in the original story,SunWuKong’s fighting weapon is the cudgel of which he can control its thickness,length and weight…he actually keeps it inside his ear. An interesting story, if you happen to find it in your library,be sure to read it…you’ll love it.
I hope Naruto inherits Enma…but Kyuubi is better!…maybe Kyuubi would partner(as summon) with Naruto to stop Akatsuki/Sasuke in the near end?

P.S. Girls love anime’s too…especially Fushigi Yuugi or Curious Play…its their signature anime…at least here in our area. am not sexist,its just an opinion. hehe. thanks.
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zep ()
// Oct 15, 2007 at 6:47 am

“Journey to the west” seems to be the inspiration for many manga/animes. For example, Dragon Ball Z’s Goku was based on the character of JttW. Down to the name, Son-Goku. He even has the same weapon at frst.
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Free Ramen (Newbie)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 7:05 am

I luv the look! I hope Jiraiya doesn’t die because he is kinda of the shows comic relief. Guess it’s a good thing he sent his frog friend from earlier back to Konoha in case he does need backup.
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zep ()
// Oct 15, 2007 at 8:35 am

I don’t want Jiraiya to die neither, but if he dose hopefully he go’s all out. I’m curiose to see what one of the Sannin of Konoha can do.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 9:03 am

The J-Man isn’t goin’ out JUST yet! Even if he DOES die, he’s gonna’ so something incredible to permenantly cripple the Akatsuki!
A quote from Futurama just landed in my head when I thought about Konan’s abillity:
Rock smashes Scissors… But Paper covers rock and scissors cuts PAPER! Kiff, we have a canundrum. SEARCH THEM FOR PAPER! And… Bring me a rock…
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FoeReal (Newbie)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 12:14 pm

From Bob: â€œKishi has done a bad job of developing strong female characters in the pastâ€

Thatâ€™s true; the only reason why Iâ€™m expecting more out of Konan is because sheâ€™s supposedly an S-class like the rest of the Akatsuki.

From Somersaultclouds: â€œHey Mr.FoeReal, i thought Naruto is a GP/PG wholesome animeâ€¦no incest ideas..heheheâ€¦oh..what is incest?â€

Well the American version is (PGâ€™ish) they always dub it so itâ€™s suitable for the younger audience because they show it on Toonami. I donâ€™t really bother with the English dub anime because even though it means not reading subtitles the whole show, most of the time they donâ€™t do that good of a job (imo).

I know itâ€™s still a long ways off, but when they get to dubbing shippuden episodes in English how are they going to manage through Hidanâ€™s vocabulary?

Also, Iâ€™m wondering why Pein is taking orders from Tobi/Madara/Obito (pick whoever you want) If he believes heâ€™s a god.
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Sakumo Hatake (Newbie)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 12:36 pm

FoeReal: you pose a very valid point. A “God” wouldn’t take orders from someone else.
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SasukeIsEmo (Newbie)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 12:43 pm

“Yup, thatâ€™s the picture Mr.Bob. Gamakichi even acquired Gamabuntaâ€™s tobacco habitâ€¦.i hope he spits oil too. ”

When I read this, i had the stupidest idea!! Maybe the frogs’ bad tabacco habit is the reason they can spit oil! all that gunk in the lungs has to go somewhere lol! now, I feel stupid… Oh well!
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zep ()
// Oct 15, 2007 at 12:48 pm

don’t worry, i feel that way all the time.
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 12:55 pm

hmm i think jeff said “whos kishi” kishi is short for masashi kishimoto(the author and creator of naruto)
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zep ()
// Oct 15, 2007 at 2:15 pm

now, i wonder what happened to everybody?
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 2:44 pm

There must be a deal going between Obito-Tobi-Madara and Pein/Nagato, because Pein’s ego is WAY to big to take orders from somebody, unless there was something in it for him. Or, Tobitomadara (hurray for making new words) could have been a second sensei for Pein and tought him the ways of being a psychotic freak-o ninja! XD
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zep ()
// Oct 15, 2007 at 2:52 pm

Isn’t Obito to young to teach Pein?
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 2:56 pm

You’re right, Pein’s a lot older than Obito. Could Obito have beat Pein in the past and won the position as leader?
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 3:03 pm

“I know itâ€™s still a long ways off, but when they get to dubbing shippuden episodes in English how are they going to manage through Hidanâ€™s vocabulary?”

They’ll probably give him a Brooklyn accent or something. LOL
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Bob (Malevolent Dictator)
// Oct 15, 2007 at 3:08 pm

Hey it’s great to see more avatar users on the site. Qu

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