Naruto Manga chapter 372 - A Country in Tears

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September 29th, 2007 · 161 Comments

Post Author: Troll Slayer Bob

Oh boy, chapter 372 dropped a cruise missile on my theory that Pein and Konan were teammates of Minato with Jiraiya as their sensei. It turns out they were Jiraiyaâ€™s students, but they were not from Konoha. Hereâ€™s what happened.

The Country of Rain is a small nation surrounded by the more powerful countries of Earth, Wind and Fire. During the Great Ninja Wars, the Country of Rain was used as a battleground by the three great powers, leading to many of its people being killed and leaving many war orphans in the wake. Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru were sent as a team into the country on a mission. While on a break, they are approached by one such war orphan named Yahiko who begs for food.

Because Jiraiya is sympathetic, he offers him some of his bread. Seeing his kindness, Yahiko calls out to his two friends to come out from hiding, they are Nagato and a boy named Nagato. The children continue to follow Jiraiya and the others. They want to learn ninjutsu and Konan first displays her skill with origami by making a paper rose out of wrapping paper. Orochimaru, in his usual cold-heartedness, suggests that he end the childrensâ€™ misery by killing them. But Jiraiya offers instead to break off from the team and look after the children until they can at least defend themselves; he calls it atonement.

During supper, Nagato begins to cry because he misses his parents. Yukiho tells him to toughen up because they are men of Amegakure (Hidden Village in the Rain). Jiraiya tries to sooth the children by telling them that by the time they grow up, the wars will have ended and they can live in peace. But Yukiho wants revenge against those people who killed their parents. He believes the Country of Rain is weak, but says he will change it someday so that everyone can be safe. That is why he begs Jiraiya to teach them some ninjutsu.

The next day, while Jiraiya is pondering over Yukihoâ€™s words, Konan runs in, drenched from the rain, and tells Jiraiya that Yukiho and Nagato are in trouble. Jiraiya rushes to the scene and finds a dead chunin from Iwagakure (Hidden Village in the Rock) lying beside a beaten up Yukiho and Nagato. Apparently, the Rock ninja demanded food and money and threatened them. Thatâ€™s when something triggered inside Nagato and he somehow killed the chunin. Looking into his eyes, Jiraiya immediately recognizes Nagatoâ€™s bloodline.

Here are some of my notes on this chapter:

When Jiraiya mentions â€œatonementâ€, what was he referring to? Is it concerning all the people he has killed during the war in general or is about something more specific which he has done to the people of the Rain?

Is it me or does Yukiho bear a strong resemblance to a young Jugo? Now, I know for sure that Jugo did NOT come from the Country of Rain, so this theory is full of holes from the getgo. I just wish Kishi would put more variation in some of his characters. Then again, if he did that, we wouldnâ€™t have all these wild and crazy theories to play around with.

Nagatoâ€™s eyes at the end of the chapter are the same as those of Peinâ€™s, and Jiraiya seems to recognize the bloodline. It was said by one of the Rain ninja Jiraiya interrogated that it is believed Pein came from the â€œFuumaâ€ clan. At this point we still donâ€™t know the Fuuma clanâ€™s history or their Bloodline Limit abilities. It is very possible that it is another eye-based ability like the Sharingan and Byakugan. With the appearance of Madara Uchiha and his relationship to Pein, it may be possible that there is a link between their two eye abilities.

But even though Nagato has Peinâ€™s eyes, the present day Peinâ€™s bodies do not resemble Nagato at all. If anyone, Yukiho is the one who looks more like a young Pein. As well, Yukihoâ€™s ideals match closely with Peinâ€™s. So is Pein really Yukiho or Nagato? Your guess is as good as mine but keep in mind of Peinâ€™s shapeshifting ablility, the five other bodies in the secret chamber and that the successful transplant of an eyeball with bloodline limit abilities has been done at least once in the past.

And one last note on Jiraiya. Heâ€™s always going on about young girls despite his age, but one sure way to get rejected by any girl is to spit on them. Look at Konanâ€™s face, if that doesnâ€™t say â€œI hate your guts and youâ€™re a total disgusting pigâ€ I donâ€™t know what does.

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161 responses so far ↓

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Newbie (Newbie)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 10:45 am

it might be that Nagato and Yukiho are brothers and Nagato dies in a battle and Yukiho activates his bloodline limit or something. it’s totally far fetched but it’s possible. FIRST COMMENT!!!!
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Kakashi for Hokage (Newbie)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 11:24 am

I think Yukiho is Pein because look at the pic of Jiriya and his students. Wouldn’t the little puggie one with his back turn look more like him (i.e. hair color) also where does Minato fit into this little team. When does he come to join Jiriya’s team or may Minato is Nagato but changed his name.
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Ino Pig (Newbie)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 11:42 am

Ok guys Pein was not on Minato’s team at all, they’re totally different people. Anyone notice that Nagato and Naruto have somewhat similar names… Maybe the eyes are that of the dark Kyubi chakra, and Jiriaya knows that?
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nine tailed hokage (Chunin Squad Leader)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 1:06 pm

then why would butit in nagato
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Kakashi for Hokage (Newbie)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 2:56 pm

Minato was a part of Jiriya’s team and the girl in the pic with Jiriya looks exactly like Konan as a little girl…
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zepwolfx (Father of SHANNARO FanFics)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 3:29 pm

once again. team Jaraiya, and orphans are completely different people.
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a person (Newbie)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 3:31 pm

I wonder if Konan has an actually useful jutsu besides being a scouter and launching paper airplanes cauz’ she got owned by Jiraiya
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zepwolfx (Father of SHANNARO FanFics)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 3:39 pm

“I wonder if Konan has an actually useful jutsu besides being a scouter and launching paper airplanes cauzâ€™ she got owned by Jiraiya”

how doyou know the fight is over?
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ShikimaruIsTheMan (Newbie)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 3:40 pm

This whole flashback must be from before the 9-tailes’ chakra was split into dark and light because it seems like it is before Jiriya even has Minato as a student.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 4:01 pm

Jugo was from the Village of Ballance. I don’t think that could be him but, I suppose it’s possible. If it IS Jugo, this whole thing might explain how he got his little “Killing-Condition”. And nagato could be Pein, since he has the abillity to swap ‘n’ switch bodies. Or he could’ve just dyed his hair. XD
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 4:03 pm

Based on their ages, I’d say this is about 10-15 years before the appearance of Kyuubi in Konoha. At this point, Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru haven’t become known as the Sannin yet either - maybe they’re on a mission which will bring them to the battle against Salamander Hanzou
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 4:08 pm

That most likley happens after this event, since they have to fight Salamander-whats-his-face… ^__^

The look on Konan’s face is more of a: You C#%@-bite, did you just puke on me?
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 4:13 pm

Hold the phone. With a stretch of the immagination, doesn’t Yuhiko kinda’ look like Minato? The name Namikaze means something like “Water-wind”. So could Minato be from that land of rain, since his name suggests it?
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zepwolfx (Father of SHANNARO FanFics)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 4:15 pm

this is all too interesting.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 4:16 pm

It’s so much fun! You get to make your own little connect the plot holes story line! It’s like each person has a different outcome to the series in their head! XD
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Newbie (Newbie)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 5:27 pm

OMG!!! I know this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with anything, but for some reason, Yukiho remindes me of a young Broly (DBZ if you don’t know)!
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 5:33 pm

Actually, Kishi had said before that one of the major inspirations for him and his brother was Toriyama’s work on Dragonball.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 5:37 pm

You serious? @_@;;
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 5:42 pm

Naruto’s orange jump suit is just one example of Kishi’s tribute to dragonball
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 5:56 pm

You know, you’re right! They ARE almost carbon copies. O_o;; Where do you get all of this info? Wikipedia?
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 6:01 pm

can’t honestly remember where I read it, I think it was a translation of an interview or something. This is one of my favorite pics, it pretty much nails it
http://www.narutohurricane.com/pics/naruto-dbz.jpg
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somersault clouds (Newbie)
// Sep 29, 2007 at 9:43 pm

Hello. Hmmm….maybe Jiraiya took all three of them to Konoha to be his students…or just Konan and Yuhiko…however, Nagato may have shaved-off his hair for the pictorial with Jiraiya…hehehe…Kishimoto may have kept the boy’s eyes closed in the picture for suspense….But I have a strong gut-feeling that the theory of Konan being the other student of Jiraiya is true…haha.
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a person (Newbie)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 5:59 am

hey ya like what if jiraya took nagato and konan to konoha and orochimaru took yahiko and and called him juugo or something cauz juugo and yahiko look very alike
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a person (Newbie)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 6:01 am

also if juugo is from someplace called the country of balance(i never read that part)maybe orochi took him there and then brainwashed him in to thinking that
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a person (Newbie)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 9:46 am

umm just so u know this has nothing to do with the subject but i also go by the name yourshoe…lol
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NSS7 (Sanin)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 11:07 am

wow, this is a lond series
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NSS7 (Sanin)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 11:08 am

i cant wait until its finally be made into an episode
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 11:34 am

You have a point… A Person… It’s kinda’ difficult to quote you with that name! XD Anyways, it IS possible that they split up the three kids between Jiraya and Orochimaru. Did Tsunade have any students? Like, was Shizine one?
And you hear about Jugo being from the Ballance when Diedara is questioning Kisame and Itachi about Suigetsu and Sasuke in an ealrier chapter, but your idea about Jugo being taken in by Orochimaru makes sense.
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nine tailed hokage (Chunin Squad Leader)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 1:03 pm

kishi liked dr slump better than dbz.and he got beat up by monkeys when walking home.
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a person (Newbie)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 1:08 pm

what? kishi got beaten up by monkeys AHAHA! wtf?
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a person (Newbie)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 1:17 pm

hmm but im not sure if jiraiya would take nagato cauz when he saw nagato’s eyes he was like wtf, with a kinda “this is rly bad” look on his face
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 3:13 pm

He was probably thinking “what has this kid been smoking and where can I get some?” LOL
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ANBU LEADER P (Jonin)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 4:15 pm

or mayb he just trained den 4 awhile n left dem
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nine tailed hokage (Chunin Squad Leader)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 4:20 pm

he step on a baby monkey
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ANBU LEADER P (Jonin)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 4:25 pm

or found a hot ninja chick n ditched dem
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zep ()
// Sep 30, 2007 at 4:54 pm

i still thinkthat Minatos’ teamates and the other three kids are different kids all together. Jiraiya probably just trained them for a while that’s all.
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a person (Newbie)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 5:02 pm

ya i guess it was just a theory
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 5:11 pm

Jiraya did the what any good sucker would do. Give the kids money to buy guns and drugs.
Seriously, who would trust JIRAYA to raise or even HELP kids with their morals?!
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Newbie (Newbie)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 5:44 pm

You know what i just realized? They already used the name “Fuuma” in the storyline. This may not really count, but it was in one of the fillers. The Infiltrating Orochimaru’s Lair arc. ep 136 - 141
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ANBU LEADER P (Jonin)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 6:10 pm

oh yea meh fillers were alright
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wowowee (Newbie)
// Sep 30, 2007 at 11:52 pm

all of you dont know 4 xur about d hole thing but..could u just stick 2 the topic and any other anime..ds s naruto hurricane 4 god’s sake..char lng poh!!
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d-m1ze (Newbie)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 1:06 am

it could be that nagato actually is pein but the present pein shape-shifted from the nagato body!!! (if im wrong dont blame me - its just a suggestion)
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a person (Newbie)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 12:22 pm

i think d-m1ze is correct cauz i have no doubt that nagato is pein he’s just in a sexier body
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 1:25 pm

I dont think that Juugo has any connection with Yahiko. If you base it on age, since Yahiko was about 10 or 12-ish maybe 15 to 20 years ago. It would make him about 27 if he is still alive. Jugo is about Kimimaro’s age which would make him about 18 years old as Kimimaro was 15 when he died.
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zep ()
// Oct 1, 2007 at 2:07 pm

that makes alot of sence. yeah i think that Kishi is just drawing people the same. just being lazy, i know i do the same shit sometimes.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 4:14 pm

Could Yahiko have a kid? Yahiko seems normal enough, save for the blood-thirst for revenge. Maybe that’s how Jugo could get his little “Crazy-Killing-Disorder”.
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 4:48 pm

Here’s my guess on what’s gonna happen. Jiraiya recognizes Nagato’s potential because of his bloodline. He trains the three kids in ninjutsu until they can defend themselves. But Yahiko gets over-confident and convinces the others to help get revenge on some rock ninja for their slain parents. Yahiko gets killed in the fighting, causing great grief to Nagato and Konan. They decide to take up his ideals and make the perfect and safe society, even if they have to become cold and ruthless to do so.
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ANBU LEADER P (Jonin)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 4:56 pm

sounds reasonable but also the kids found out wat jiraiya had done to the village or parents n dey swore revendge
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 5:04 pm

could be, I’m still wondering what Jiraiya needs to “atone” for.
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a person (Newbie)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 5:06 pm

hmm bob is right it makes sense, hmm but i wonder if they would rly know for sure what a place like they imagine would be, cauz i wouldnt want to live in some kindof utopia, i mean have u read the book “the giver”
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ANBU LEADER P (Jonin)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 5:06 pm

killing der parents or villages
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 5:39 pm

How about this? It’s pretty much Bob’s idea; Jiraya’s training them and stuff, Yahiko gets over confident and gets himself killed. Nagato and Konan would want revenge on the rock ninja, but the topper to all of this is that Jiraya was actually the one that killed their parents, or parts of their family. How better to atone for killing a kid’s family then to help raise the kids of the people you killed?
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 5:53 pm

I like your idea. I’m writing up 372 right now and just realized Jiraiya had said he thought Konan and the others were dead. So either Jiraiya thought they all died when they went on a suicide mission against the rock ninja… or they all attacked Jiraiya after finding out he was responsible for their parents’ deaths, but Jiraiya defended himself and killed them but somehow they survived. I don’t quite like the second theory ’cause it’s not in Jiraiya’s character to train a bunch of students and then kill them, even if in self-defense.
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a person (Newbie)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 5:59 pm

ya theory one makes better sense cauz what if nagatos kekai genkai is rly strong and he and konan went on a suicide mision(as u said) and jiraiya thought that they werent strong enough anyways but the eyes were so stronf that nagato and konan prevailed
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 5:59 pm

Yeah. Jiraya’s a softy like that. ;D
Question though: Why would they, Konan and Nagato, kill the leader if their village if all they wanted was stabillity in their country? There has to be something wrong with the leader, or Nagato and Konan want an entire war against neighboring countries as payment for being screwed over as a battle ground for other villages. Did that make any sense? o_o;;
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a person (Newbie)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 5:59 pm

to much of the word strong lol
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 6:10 pm

They probably have a grander plan. There’s two ways to ensure safety.

One was the previous Rain leader’s (Hanzou I guess) strategy to have over the top security in his village and keep out all enemies.

The other way is to eliminate all your enemies. How do you do this? Conquer the world of course. Remember that this was the Akatsuki leader’s (Pein’s) plan for the organization that he said way back.
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 6:17 pm

“a person”, i think you asked about avatars before. Follow this and it should be pretty easy:
http://www.narutohurricane.com/narutoblog/avatar-help/

Also, a person is an interesting name but it’s hard to refer to you. The last sentence is a perfect example, lol. Maybe consider changing it or going by “yourshoe” in here as well? I dunno, up to you I guess.
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ANBU LEADER P (Jonin)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 6:20 pm

damn i like ur theories guys keep it up
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Kakashi for Hokage (Newbie)
// Oct 1, 2007 at 6:31 pm

I agree with the Idea that Yahiko died when the three of them battled the rock shinobi…
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Corpes (Newbie)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 11:06 am

just a guess, but I’m thinking that maybe Pein and Naruto are brothers. I remember that it was said that Naruto only had the the good half of the kyubbi ( cant really remember if he has other half as well) and since Pein seems more like evil he has the evil half of the kyubbi. Just a guess =/
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 12:24 pm

ok i changed to yourshoe umm and ya maybe pein and naruto arent blood related but could be sort of related if pein has other half of kyuubi
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zep ()
// Oct 2, 2007 at 1:02 pm

reminder that Pein can change bodies. so just because he looked like naruto, dosen’t mean that he’s related to him.
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 2:00 pm

needa bit of a smaller pic lol
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SasukeIsEmo (Newbie)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 2:15 pm

Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just made an account. I am the same person as Newbie, the very one who got the first comment and started a whole chain of stuff about Kishi getting beaten up by monkeys around the middle area : P !!!!!!!!
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 2:51 pm

I’m wondering how Naruto’s gonna survive the extraction of the Kyuubi. We all know that’s gonna eventually happen
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 3:03 pm

finally got got the picture i wanted lol umm is the kishi thing real? and well i dont know if theyll start the kyuubi extraction i mean i do have a feeling that will happen but i just doesn’t seem right
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 3:07 pm

Minato(4th Hokage) sealed Kyuubi inside of Naruto and seperated it into Ying and Yang(good and bad) Naruto only has access to the good chakra but can access the bad when in life and death situations…or when he gets pissed…unless I misunderstood it when Jiraiya.
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 4:50 pm

Wow. I totally forgot about the taking-over-the-world bit, Bob. Maybe they’ve got the whole unification or deathk, sem-comunist reference thing going on. O_O;; If Naruto’s just some comunism metaphor, I’ll be super pissed.
As fot the yin and yang chakara, could folks take a peek at the previous blog entry? I put in a few thought on the subject. ^_^;;
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 4:54 pm

And Pein’s might be Naruto’s crazy uncle. Why? Because Jiraya and Tsunade were talking about Naruto’s mom and said how she was a redheaded tom-boy; since Pein’s body in his first appearance had red hair, that might mean they’re related. Also, they said that Naruto’s mom was from the land of rain, so that brings origin into the picture as well.
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SasukeIsEmo (Newbie)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 5:11 pm

actually, they said she was from the land of whirlpools, but good theory XD
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 5:16 pm

The land of whirlpools doesn’t exist anymore, maybe it got taken over or assimilated by Rain?
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 5:23 pm

Either that or got blown to bits by the other countries. It doesn’t really matter that much that the land of whirlpools got destroyed, because they’re still in the same region, right? Or have all of my facts gotten mixed up? /-_-\;;
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 5:26 pm

No clue on where it actually is, but I’m assuming its near the body of water near Mist or Waves
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 5:42 pm

So, that would theoretically still be in the same territory used as a battle feild, right? Could be that Pein and Naruto’s Mum (I keep forgetting her name) got separated. XD Might work…
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 6:05 pm

i think that it might be posible pein is narutos uncle or something but something just doesnt ad up although it would add quite some spice in the story, i think its the fact that nagato has black hair and only has red-orange hair later on(maybe in a different body)
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 7:33 pm

Nagato means Leader in Japanese…
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 7:34 pm

Kushina Uzumaki is from the Land of the Whirlpool…
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 7:52 pm

Kushina mean Nine Goods in Japanese…
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 8:11 pm

hey Sakamura, haven’t seen you in awhile. Did you get the email I replied back to you?
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 8:12 pm

Yeah I got it…just life is busy…
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 8:15 pm

I can relate. It’s cool, just wanted to make sure, sometimes my emails get caught in junk filters.
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 8:16 pm

These translations, are they based on the original japanese kanji?
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 8:16 pm

I am suprised to think that nobody thinks that Nagato’s body may have gotten destroyed and is useing Yukiho body. Or maybe Nagato gave his to Madara and is useing Yukiho…I don’t know just throwing stuff out there…
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 8:17 pm

No…only the beginning and partial…
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 8:22 pm

Yeah, I can’t wait to see Madara’s role in all of this, I don’t think there’s any doubt now that he is the mastermind behind it all. Somehow I get the feeling that maybe Pein and Konan weren’t “evil” to begin with but got blinded by hate and revenge and went down the wrong path (much like what Sasuke is doing).
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 8:27 pm

Well I don’t think anybody is born evil…just turn of events and getting over uneasiness of doing the wrong things. But the real problem I am having is who is Madara…I mean who is the person behind the mask…I just want to know so bad…
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 8:34 pm

Also what does Pein eyes do…does it take control of peoples bodies or inflict internal pain?
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 2, 2007 at 8:40 pm

I’m almost certain that it is actually Madara Uchiha in some form because Jiraiya brought up his name in c370 even though he hasn’t met Tobi yet. Either Kishi is foreshadowing what’s to come or he’s playing with us. But I’m also about 75% sure that Obito is involved in this too. Kakashi Gaiden was part of the Naruto manga continuity and not some spin-off series in a new manga. I like to think of it as a prologue to Naruto part II, meaning events/characters in KG will probably play important roles in part II.
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Somersault Clouds (Newbie)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 9:27 am

Hi! yup Mr.Bob, I also think Obito is involved…maybe to emphasize Kakashi’s story line…hehe…If ever Madara is alive, I wonder how he managed to survive since his age would be the same as Tsunade’s grandfather, the first Hokage? I am thinking Obito could be Madara’s successor in a way with which he was able to summon Kyuubi…another wild guess…and with regard to Kyuubi’s extraction from Naruto, I am guessing that Naruto will be Kyuubi’s master, where Kyubi will be a summoned being like Gamabunta…actually it’s how I want it to be…hehehe…oh, upon reading chapter 372, Yahiko is not the Fourth Hokage unlike what I said before..sorry…
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 11:40 am

Question: Did Obioto die around the same time the nine tailed fox demon appeared/was summoned? If the dates match up, it wouldn’t be a stretch to say that Obito faked his death to carry on the psychotic leagacy of Madara. Or any kind of motive for that matter. XD
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 12:48 pm

i have a long and far fetched thoery: what if obito was chosen by a dead madara to be his host, then he got orochimaru into akatsuki to make him stronger so that he could train sasuke because sasuke is one of the rare uchiiha that have power like madara to control the kyuubi so as to well i havent gotten that far… lol
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 12:49 pm

u guys can maybe carry on my thoery cauz i cant think of what comes next
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 1:13 pm

I dont think Pein and Naruto are related at all. There isn’t a possibility that they are brothers. Uncle and nephew.. well maybe. The way that Nagato and Yahiko were talking it seems like all their family members were eliminated. What probably happened was that their village was attacked but the kids survived because of Nagato’s eye abilities.
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 1:24 pm

Anyone think that Itachi knows about Madara? I mean the other members don’t have a clue about Tobi being ‘Madara’ because Deidara treated him like he was a kid, and Kisame said he brightened up their gloom organization. But I dont remember Itachi ever interacting with Tobi at all. And I remember back then when he said that if Sasuke activates the Mangekyou there will be three people who can use it, but I think that word had a double meaning like resist or something like that. Didn’t Itachi also say something about the true purpose of the Uchiha clan hidden inside that one temple? Maybe the true purpose requires three Uchihas who could use the Mangekyou and Itachi killed his clan, let Sasuke survive and told him how to activate the Mangekyou for this purpose.
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 1:32 pm

Hmm but then again Itachi definitely isn’t a bad guy. Maybe the one who killed their clan was Madara, or made Itachi kill his clan somehow.
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 1:34 pm

hmm the third person could possibly be kakashi but i highly disagree with kaka being that person cauz it was probably meant for 3 uchiha also it should be 3 because there are three of those things in a sharingan eye
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zep ()
// Oct 3, 2007 at 1:51 pm

here’s a stupid question. do you guys think Obito already had the Mangekyou Sharingan to begin with, and was playing with his team making them think that he couldn’t use it?
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 2:24 pm

umm i dun think so cauz well actually this might make no sense and most likely isnt true but dont you need the triple sharingan not that double one that u first get. oooh imagine this if u could get mangaykou sharingan right after ur first level sharingan and it would hav only two things.(this might be kinda hard to understand)
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 2:25 pm

like dont u need the triple sharingan as well as to kill ur best friend
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 2:25 pm

maybe not i dun know can someone correct me?
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 3:07 pm

Omg…guys Obito was crushed by a boulder and burried alive. No one has actually seen him die and they couldn’t recover his body. Also the three people would consist of Madara(founder), Itachi, and Sasuke. Yes Sasuke did read the scripture about the Sharingan and it’s true origin but it is possible to get it without killing your best friend. Also no one has seen Itachi kill anyone at all so there is twist. Another it may be possible for anyone with the Sharingan to control anything as long as they have enough chakra to do so. Finally yes anything anybody says could be right and dead wrong at the same time lol.
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yourshoe (Chunin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 4:28 pm

zetsu coulda found obitos body and rebuilt it same goes for madara, notice how tobi has a bunch of nails and stuff in his clothes
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 5:04 pm

I think I need to make a post about all the different and new Sharingans next. Madara’s Sharigan in particular interests me…
http://www.narutohurricane.com/manga_pics/naruto_c370_12.gif
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 5:10 pm

True Tobi does have pins and bolts on his armor…but still…hmmm…
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E.R.Nefarious (Sexy Sparkle Dust Artist)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 6:27 pm

Well, pins and bolts could be a sign of being put back together, or he’s just a little odd in the head, or both! ^_^
But you guys DO have some points. Personally, I think that Tobi/Obito/Madara had a key role in Itachi joining the Akatsuki. Because Itachi really had no actual motive to kill the Uchiha clan and never showed any real sign of being psychotic; sure, he was introverted, but that’s not crazy. Could Tobi blackmail Itachi into joining? O_O It’s a stretch, but in the realm of possibillities…
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 7:12 pm

“Could Tobi blackmail Itachi into joining?”

What kind of embarrassing secrets lie in Itachi’s past, oh the suspense, lol.
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Kakashi for Hokage (Newbie)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 7:38 pm

My theory is that Madara was reincarnated in Obito before he so called died. His plan was to fake his death and give Kakashi one of his eyes. He needs three people to use the Mangekyou Sharingan and destroy Konoha once and for all so he set his plan in motion to use himself, Kakashi, and Itachi. But the when Itachi slaughter the entire clan and left, he deicided to use sasuke instead. As time went on he realised he could get Itachi back. But Madara still needs the three pairs of sharingan eyes so that means he would use Kakashi to a certain point just so he can get his eye back now…

I know there are some holes in the this theory but this what i think.
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zepwolfx (Father of SHANNARO FanFics)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 8:06 pm

when dose new chapter come out?
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Troll Slayer Bob (Genin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 8:49 pm

Same day as the anime usually.
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Nameless (Chunin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 10:21 pm

Itachi probably didn’t kill his closest friend. He looked pretty sad when he heard the news and got seriously angry when they accused him of it. But then again.. he did admit to the murder =/
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ANBU LEADER P (Jonin)
// Oct 3, 2007 at 11:10 pm

true itachi looked pretty upset. or mayb he was sumhow regreting it
OR his best friend uchia shisui told itachi 2 do it coz shisui found out dat uchia madara was still alive n was planing sumthing bad n wanted itachi 2 kill him coz he knew itachi was talented n stronger dem himself
well its just a theory
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ANBU LEADER P (Jonin)
// Oct 4, 2007 at 12:50 am

it would b a HUGE TWIST if karin was narutos sis coz she has red hair like narutos mum.. n dat da bad(yang) chakra was sealed in her just a theory
anwazs TAKE CARE PEOPLES
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Sakamura Mikado (Genin)
// Oct 4, 2007 at 9:18 am

Don’t know if I can agree to some of these theories…they are just to way out there…
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